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Offline Tradman

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #240 on: December 06, 2021, 12:31:42 AM »
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  • Meanwhile, the train stays on the tracks while the earth spins at 1,037 mph.  :laugh1:
    Miraculous!
    Earth spins at over 1000mph
    Barrels around the sun over 550,000,000 miles per day
    Explodes another direction through space at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000  (oops I think I exaggerated that one)
    And wobbles. 
    4 different directions and speeds, all at the same time.
    Thank you NASA, we never would have known. 


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #241 on: December 06, 2021, 12:32:16 AM »
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  • Meanwhile, the train stays on the tracks while the earth spins at 1,037 mph.  :laugh1:

    One more uneducated person talking about things he knows nothing about. Didn't Cassini quote Scripture about such fools?

    Engineers build handling machines like this one:




    To be able to do this, they need and they got very well and precise working models of gravity and inertial forces.

    You Pax, are a know nothing with respect to engineering, gravity and inertia. That's why you think you can read some imbecile flat earth websites, and go ahead and deceive people with your laughable flat brain convictions.

    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #242 on: December 06, 2021, 12:38:18 AM »
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  • Miraculous!
    Earth spins at over 1000mph
    Barrels around the sun over 550,000,000 miles per day
    Explodes another direction through space at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000  (oops I think I exaggerated that one)
    And wobbles. 
    4 different directions and speeds, all at the same time.
    Thank you NASA, we never would have known.

    Your a joker.  :fryingpan: 

    Since globe earth is at rest, the stars run around it with even very very very much higher speeds.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #243 on: December 06, 2021, 12:42:06 AM »
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  • I'm a fool.

    The flat-earthers are sidetracking about Geocentrism/Heliocentrism, and I fall for it. :facepalm:


    On the other hand: Their sidetracking shows that they're not able to defend their false ideas. All they got are their convictions indoctrinated and readily consumed, filled in their throats by agent of the devil Eric Dubay and his minions.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #244 on: December 06, 2021, 07:14:36 AM »
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  • Oh yes, sorry.

    One degree of latitude equals approximately 364,000 feet (69 miles)
    This was in response to


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    It takes 70 miles for the earth to curve 1o, and you're looking at contrails from the side.

    Could you see a 1o bend in a broom handle or rod from the side?
    But there was no response.


    I'm still curious about the chemtrails being level for 50, 60, 70 miles rather than shaped like rainbows over the curved earth.

    Can anyone explain that?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #245 on: December 06, 2021, 07:34:27 AM »
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  • I'm a fool.

    The flat-earthers are sidetracking about Geocentrism/Heliocentrism, and I fall for it. :facepalm:


    On the other hand: Their sidetracking shows that they're not able to defend their false ideas. All they got are their convictions indoctrinated and readily consumed, filled in their throats by agent of the devil Eric Dubay and his minions.


    I have been saying this for a long time. The sudden rise of this FE stuff is to try and muddy the waters so that people don’t take a critical look at Geocentrism or the fake Moon landings. Don’t get me wrong, it wouldn’t shock me a bit that the government would coverup a flat Earth, but the proof is just not there.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #246 on: December 06, 2021, 07:41:38 AM »
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  • THIS^^^ right here is the primary go-to "argument" against flat earth ... ridicule.  And that by itself speaks volumes.  People have been progammed into believing it.  95% of the population, if asked to provide evidence for why the earth is a globe, come up empty.  At most you'll get the old "ships disappear over the horizon" and "NASA has pictures of the earth", but that's only in the 5% who have any answer at all.

    You see that with other deceptions:  9/11 and also the h0Ɩ0h0αx.  With the latter they also tack on "guilt", claiming that if you don't believe that 6 million tribesmen were slaughtered in gas chambers by the nαzιs, it means that you favor the extermination of Jєωs.

    For prudential reasons, if I were a Catholic prelate, such as Bishop Wiliamson, I would avoid the subject of flat earth because the ridicule you'd receive could be an impediment to winning souls to the faith and to Tradition.  Yet His Excellency has give sermons on Oklahoma City and 9/11 ... and also famously got into trouble regarding the Holohaux.  He has not avoided these subjects because, as he's said, the truth matters and these are all part of the grand deception.

    In any case, I too was very skeptical at first due to the programming since infancy.  You go from planet mobiles in your crib ...



    ... to your first ever science project in school consisting of making a solar system model with styrofoam balls.  Every teacher has a globe on her desk.  You see the stuff about the "space program" all over TV, in the media, in movies (with one of the movie companies having the globe for their logo).  You see this nonsense everywhere.

    Every kid wants to grow up to be either a President or an astronaut (as you're indoctrinated through the education system).

    When the Challenger disaster happened, teachers rolled TVs into the classroom to further indoctrinate the kids.  Do you know that most of the "astronauts" that were "killed" in that disaster are still alive.  Amazingly, 3-4 of them had "identical twins" and the others either slightly changed their names (started using their middle names) and went about their lives (after undoubtedly taking a huge payoff).

    Hitler bad, Uncle Joe Stalin and the chubby loveable Churchill good ... and it goes on and on and on.  We've been lied to about EVERYTHING.  Moon Landing was a hoax precisely in order to perpetuate the myth of our living on a spinning ball and to further instill the propaganda.

    But here's the thing.  I think that my eyes were opened to the grand deception on 9/11.  From there you start digging and digging.  I listened to a lot of Alex Jones.  Now, he's a gatekeeper on certain issues, but he also exposes a lof of the evil out there.

    Then it took me a bit longer to wake up to the moon landing Hoax.

    But even for me, there was initially huge skepticism regarding flat earth due to the programming.  But I decided to give it a chance and start looking at the evidence.  It got to a point that it was basically impossible to refute.  One could go on for hours and hours about the phenomena that simply don't add up if we truly live on a spinning ball hurtling at breakneck speeds through the solar system, galaxy, and universe.  I had already come to the conclusion that the earth was stationary and at the center of the universe.  But flat?  Yes ... flat, with a solid firmament dome over the top.  Add that to the other scientific hoaxes like evolution or the Big Bang ... all calculated to promote their atheistic agenda.

    And now of course we're faced with the COVID hoax.  Follow the "science" they keep telling everyone.  Yeah, sure, the "science".

    It's one hoax, lie, and deception after another.


    Yes.  The anger.  The ridicule.  It's such a bizarre response.

    I was a flight attendant in the 90's and looking over the Pacific Ocean in the flight deck I asked the pilots, "So where is the curve?"

    Ever since I was a kid I wanted to see water curve.  I just never could understand how that could be.

    They said it's there and I said I didn't see it.  They said you can see it at a higher altitude.  ???

    I asked if the plane makes adjustments nose downwards during flight because if we don't we will fly off into space when the earth curves downwards and I've never felt such adjustments.  They said no it's not necessary.

    I asked why the flight times from east coast to west coast and vice versa adjust for tail winds but not for the spinning of the globe and they told me it's because the atmosphere is attached to the globe.  ??

    I asked why when we fly from LA to London we fly over the arctic.  At that point the first officer said kind of slyly, "Well, to know about that you would probably have to be a Freemason."

    The captain got visibly angry and said, "What are you?!  A flat-earther?"

    I said, "No.  I just have some questions."

    He said angrily, "Well you sound like a flat-earther to me.  Are you sure?"

    I said, "No. I'm just a person asking questions."

    He said, "Well, I just want to be sure. You sure sound like a flat-earther to me!"

    Well, I stayed up nights thinking about this and questioning even more.  I didn't know what Freemasons were except I heard they meet in those lodges like on the Flintstones.  I felt like I was crazy.

    The two things that seemed to be the biggest red flags were the visible anger and the mockery demanding that I identify myself as a card carrying flat earther.  What was that about?!

    And who could I ask questions about this?  No one.  They would either laugh me off or pat me on the head.  So I never did.  This was before Youtube or anything.

    Something I just realized from some of the images of the domed earth is the two pillars and the arch---Freemason symbols.

    I've looked into quite a bit on this issue, especially flight patterns, but never noticed that tidbit.

    Anyway, yes Lad, I completely agree with you that fear of ridicule is the biggest obstacle to examining the evidence.

    I also believe that is what is keeping people from examining the evidence with regards to graphene and the internet of things (including humans).

    I mean, they are injecting graphene into every man woman, child, and baby on earth and nobody is asking, "Why?"

    Well, I think it's the fear of ridicule, which the masonic late night talk shows certainly amplified and exploited, and the fear of the truth and its ramifications for humanity and our loved ones.

    It seems too scary to face, but face it we must.






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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #247 on: December 06, 2021, 07:56:06 AM »
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  • Flat earthers, ever heard about Vendée Globe?

    Are they all French NASA agents? Or are they just sailing around Antarctica?




    The routes on globe earth and on flat earth are shown at 2'00". Wind forward, or see there: https://youtu.be/lPfCvZLWKCA?t=120


    Facts don’t lie. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #248 on: December 06, 2021, 08:20:41 AM »
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    The sudden rise of this FE stuff is to try and muddy the waters so that people don’t take a critical look at Geocentrism or the fake Moon landings.
    I've asked Marion this question now, twice, and he's ignored it.  Ladislaus also asked a similar question, but he also ignored it.  So i'll ask you.


    FE supports Geocentrism and absolutely destroys the idea of a moon landing, so what's the issue?
    FE supports the Church model from the Middle Ages/Scripture and is completely at odds with the masonic Galileo and Copernicus, so what's the issue?

    The real issue is the misinterpretation/mis-explanations of FE out there, done by the typical media/"expert" cabal, who twist the idea of FE into some conspiracy, tin-foil hat, uneducated daydream.  A true, rational understanding of FE, based on unbiased, catholic scientists of centuries ago, makes a lot of sense.  

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #249 on: December 06, 2021, 08:23:50 AM »
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  • Meanwhile, the train stays on the tracks while the earth spins at 1,037 mph.  :laugh1:

    So what? The earth rotates at about .0007 RPM.

     honestly can't tell whether you're serious or joking.

    --

    I was driving on the highway recently. The speedometer said I was going 100 kph, but I had a cup of coffee in the beverage holder, and the coffee wasn't jumping out of the cup.

    So my car must have really been stationary and the earth moving under me at 100 kph.

    Fortunately for me, the earth stopped just as I drove into my garage.

    It must have been really difficult for you with the earth moving under you at 100 kph and suddenly stopping. Sorry about that.

    --

    Statements in this thread about water curving remind me of the Newfie* who wanted to water ski but couldn't find a lake with a slope.

    * Newfie is someone from Newfoundland. It's the Canadian version of a blonde joke.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #250 on: December 06, 2021, 08:38:55 AM »
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  • I've asked Marion this question now, twice, and he's ignored it.  Ladislaus also asked a similar question, but he also ignored it.  So i'll ask you.


    FE supports Geocentrism and absolutely destroys the idea of a moon landing, so what's the issue?
    FE supports the Church model from the Middle Ages/Scripture and is completely at odds with the masonic Galileo and Copernicus, so what's the issue?

    The real issue is the misinterpretation/mis-explanations of FE out there, done by the typical media/"expert" cabal, who twist the idea of FE into some conspiracy, tin-foil hat, uneducated daydream.  A true, rational understanding of FE, based on unbiased, catholic scientists of centuries ago, makes a lot of sense. 


    First, I didn’t downvote you.


    As for “FE supports Geocentrism and absolutely destroys the idea of a moon landing, so what's the issue?”, I don’t need FE to help me dismiss the heliocentric theory nor the fake Moon landings. Why do you feel you need the FE model to make your case?


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #251 on: December 06, 2021, 08:47:34 AM »
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    Statements in this thread about water curving remind me of the Newfie* who wanted to water ski but couldn't find a lake with a slope.

    * Newfie is someone from Newfoundland. It's the Canadian version of a blonde joke.



    Stanley called me a "Newfie"!!!

    Oh no!

    I'm melt innnnnngggggg.

    Even worse:

    Newfie = Blonde

    Oh Noooooooo!

    How will I recover????

    The science!!!!

    The evidence!!!!!

    The logic!!!!
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #252 on: December 06, 2021, 08:56:29 AM »
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  • Stanley called me a "Newfie"!!!
    Oh no!
    I'm melt innnnnngggggg.

    I'm happy you found the joke amusing, but I didn't call you a Newfie.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #253 on: December 06, 2021, 09:01:15 AM »
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  • How exactly are you able to know that there "is a 100-ft ice wall on the circuмference of the plane", if at the same time your link says "sorry-antarctica-is-closed"?

    Strange sort of discourse. Sounds rather imbecile to me. Am I missing something? And how brazen is such an answer to the post of moneil, that you dismiss?
    So, in your utter adherence to truth and objectivity you simply looked at the name of the video rather than actually watch it? :facepalm:

    You can lead a horse to water...
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #254 on: December 06, 2021, 09:03:05 AM »
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  • I'm happy you found the joke amusing, but I didn't call you a Newfie.

    Glad to hear it, Stanley, but I just posted the question of water curving.

    I would love to see water curve someday!
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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