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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #195 on: December 04, 2021, 08:17:51 PM »
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  • Looks like a curved track leading round the equator on a flat earth.  ::)

    No matter how subtle, sheer distances proves accounting for curvature must be done.  A mere 50 miles of track must curve downward about 1/2 mile.  That's approximately 2500 ft. Each piece of track would have to compensate a fraction of that total, yet it would be necessary to ensure each piece of track is bent in order to maintain curvature of what is said to be the globe. 

    Let's say more than 1/4 mile per 50 miles of track.






    Conversely, unbent track, the way it's manufactured now, can never wrap around a curve or follow the contours of a ball shaped earth. 

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #196 on: December 04, 2021, 08:18:31 PM »
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    1) This is a bit fantastical, I know, but hear me out. Going off the "tropics under the ice" idea, perhaps there could be some creatures living down there that the elites don't want people to have access to, mainly thinking here supposedly long extinct animals like dinosaurs. If there is some method of lighting down there, which perhaps some kind of crystals or plant may provide, it would create the conditions necessary (alongside the water and heat) for lush jungles to exist, which would be an environment suitable for the continued existence of those creatures.

    2) Ruins of antediluvian civilizations under the ice or on the surface of Antarctica. I imagine that since the antediluvian civilizations were possibly far more advanced than our own in terms of technology, these ruins would portray a style of architecture so advanced it would seem...alien. TPTB don't want people to think that there were civilizations more advanced than our own in the past, because that would ruin their idea of human "progress" ascending constantly upwards throughout history, which they take from Darwinism. It would also make the masses question the "official history" they were told in a major way if this information was leaked to the public. I think they have a contingency plan, maybe even a slight of hand in place for this if these ruins actually exist. They will market them to the public as being the remains of an advanced "alien" civilization, and hide all evidence that would indicate humans actually built them.
    All of this is possible, really.

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    People also claim to have found Pyramids from overhead pictures of Antarctica.  Was there a civilization there that got covered up and then frozen by the flood?  We had Mammths that were flash-frozen in Siberia with food in their mouths.
    Connecting to what Ladislaus said,

    1) we know that Noah's flood caused the earth's land mass to separate all over the globe.  Antarctica was probably a similar tropical climate before it broke off from the mainland.

    2) I watched a video where a guy pulled up maps from the Middle Ages and Antarctica was actually connected by a small group of islands to the tip of Africa.  It has gradually been separated by thousands of mini-earthquakes in the area for the last 500 years.  The proof is 1) the maps, 2) the penguins (and other birds) on antarctica are also in southern africa.  How did the same exact bird get on both continents if they were never connected?

    3) ...this is totally conjecture but maybe Antarctica has connections with Atlantis?  Or some other high-tech, satanic city of the past?  The satanists are obsessed with Atlantis and I think it was a precursor to Babel and a new-age, occult city center.  This would explain why these occult psychos go to Antarctica so often.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #197 on: December 04, 2021, 09:05:41 PM »
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  • It takes 70 miles for the earth to curve 1o, and you're looking at contrails from the side.

    Could you see a 1o bend in a broom handle or rod from the side?

    1 percent of 50 miles is half a mile.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #198 on: December 04, 2021, 09:08:54 PM »
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  • No matter how subtle, sheer distances proves accounting for curvature must be done.  A mere 50 miles of track must curve downward about 1/2 mile.  That's approximately 2500 ft. Each piece of track would have to compensate a fraction of that total, yet it would be necessary to ensure each piece of track is bent in order to maintain curvature of what is said to be the globe. 

    Let's say more than 1/4 mile per 50 miles of track.






    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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    It's not that rail can't be bent because clearly it takes turns on the x axis, but that it is not bent on the y axis, that is, downward to compensate for earth curvature.  Rail road track is mostly level, or the train cannot traverse it.  Small climbs are accounted for on the y axis for certain, as needed, but in the smallest increments because of the great need for power to overcome incline, or to inhibit too much decline. The argument isn't that rail cannot be bent to suit, but then, that is obvious and to retreat to that argument is a waste of time. Point being, track is never bent to take into account earth's curvature. 

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #199 on: December 04, 2021, 09:19:04 PM »
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    1 percent of 50 miles is half a mile.
    He wrote 1 "degree" not percent.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #200 on: December 04, 2021, 09:35:38 PM »
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  • He wrote 1 "degree" not percent.

    Oh yes, sorry.

    One degree of latitude equals approximately 364,000 feet (69 miles)

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #201 on: December 04, 2021, 10:33:04 PM »
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  • All of this is possible, really.
    Connecting to what Ladislaus said,

    1) we know that Noah's flood caused the earth's land mass to separate all over the globe.  Antarctica was probably a similar tropical climate before it broke off from the mainland.

    2) I watched a video where a guy pulled up maps from the Middle Ages and Antarctica was actually connected by a small group of islands to the tip of Africa.  It has gradually been separated by thousands of mini-earthquakes in the area for the last 500 years.  The proof is 1) the maps, 2) the penguins (and other birds) on antarctica are also in southern africa.  How did the same exact bird get on both continents if they were never connected?

    3) ...this is totally conjecture but maybe Antarctica has connections with Atlantis?  Or some other high-tech, satanic city of the past?  The satanists are obsessed with Atlantis and I think it was a precursor to Babel and a new-age, occult city center.  This would explain why these occult psychos go to Antarctica so often.

    Fascinating stuff. Going off of point 1: There's actually been discoveries of dinosaur bones in Antarctica, along with the remnants of plant matter. The first dinosaur to be discovered there was the carnivore Cryolophosaurus. Because of this, the paleontologists admit now that Antarctica was much warmer than it is now, but for various reasons we should regard their timeline as a laughable fable. Here's an article covering some recent discoveries concerning ancient soil and plants that provide insights into this. It still shows that even in the realm of "modern science" a warm Antarctica is acknowledged to have been a thing at one point. 

    2) Could you find that video? I'd be interested in watching it. The detail about the penguins makes a lot of sense, and though the penguins in Antarctica and South Africa belong to different subspecies of penguin, it still begs the question of how did several variants of the same kind of bird end up in two different continents?

    3) I don't think an Atlantis-Antarctica connection exists. What's more probable, in my view, is the Richat-Atlantis connection: 








    I think Antarctica is more likely to be associated with similar civilizations though, whether this be one city or several. No way the powers that be keep such a firm grip on that place just because of ice and penguins. 



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #202 on: December 05, 2021, 12:33:37 AM »
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  • No matter how subtle, sheer distances proves accounting for curvature must be done.  A mere 50 miles of track must curve downward about 1/2 mile.  That's approximately 2500 ft. Each piece of track would have to compensate a fraction of that total, yet it would be necessary to ensure each piece of track is bent in order to maintain curvature of what is said to be the globe. 

    Let's say more than 1/4 mile per 50 miles of track.






    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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    Pretty sure that's not a track for an actual train. Maybe some sort of light rail or something similar. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #203 on: December 05, 2021, 06:47:18 AM »
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  • Pretty sure that's not a track for an actual train. Maybe some sort of light rail or something similar.

    It's a track of the metro in Vuosaari. Helsinki, Finland. Location is 60.2082476°N 25.1460773°E.

    It's a heavy rail system.


    but if people do not take the time to research this

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #204 on: December 05, 2021, 08:33:30 AM »
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  • It's not that rail can't be bent because clearly it takes turns on the x axis, but that it is not bent on the y axis, that is, downward to compensate for earth curvature.  Rail road track is mostly level, or the train cannot traverse it.  Small climbs are accounted for on the y axis for certain, as needed, but in the smallest increments because of the great need for power to overcome incline, or to inhibit too much decline. The argument isn't that rail cannot be bent to suit, but then, that is obvious and to retreat to that argument is a waste of time. Point being, track is never bent to take into account earth's curvature.

    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    That's near Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle, capital of the Empire of Charlemagne):



    https://www.eisenbahn-stolberg.de/fototagebuch-2014/fototagebuch-42014/

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #205 on: December 05, 2021, 09:46:03 AM »
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  • :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

    That's near Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle, capital of the Empire of Charlemagne):



    https://www.eisenbahn-stolberg.de/fototagebuch-2014/fototagebuch-42014/
    Clearly you did not read my post.  Rail can be adjusted any which way for immediate terrain.  It is NEVER conformed to take in account earth curvature.  


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #206 on: December 05, 2021, 10:26:26 AM »
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  • Clearly you did not read my post.  Rail can be adjusted any which way for immediate terrain.  It is NEVER conformed to take in account earth curvature. 

    Not true. Freight train rail cannot go more than 2% above grade. You are not showing freight train rail. Passenger trains are lighter and don't need to take the flat earth into account. They carry people - not heavy freight.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #207 on: December 05, 2021, 10:41:07 AM »
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  • Not true. Freight train rail cannot go more than 2% above grade. You are not showing freight train rail. Passenger trains are lighter and don't need to take the flat earth into account. They carry people - not heavy freight.
    This is also true.  Sadly, with preconceived notions, people are not able to discern.  Either that, or their fear of reprisal for true consideration is too overwhelming. The fact that they do conform rail to accommodate low grades, but never add to that to adjust for earth curvature also shows earth is not a globe. They even cut into mountains and raise trestles to keep the train as level as possible.          

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #208 on: December 05, 2021, 11:08:00 AM »
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    THIS^^^ right here is the primary go-to "argument" against flat earth ... ridicule.  And that by itself speaks volumes.  People have been progammed into believing it.  95% of the population, if asked to provide evidence for why the earth is a globe, come up empty.  At most you'll get the old "ships disappear over the horizon" and "NASA has pictures of the earth", but that's only in the 5% who have any answer at all.

    You see that with other deceptions:  9/11 and also the h0Ɩ0h0αx.  With the latter they also tack on "guilt", claiming that if you don't believe that 6 million tribesmen were slaughtered in gas chambers by the nαzιs, it means that you favor the extermination of Jєωs.

    For prudential reasons, if I were a Catholic prelate, such as Bishop Wiliamson, I would avoid the subject of flat earth because the ridicule you'd receive could be an impediment to winning souls to the faith and to Tradition.  Yet His Excellency has give sermons on Oklahoma City and 9/11 ... and also famously got into trouble regarding the Holohaux.  He has not avoided these subjects because, as he's said, the truth matters and these are all part of the grand deception.

    In any case, I too was very skeptical at first due to the programming since infancy.  You go from planet mobiles in your crib ...



    ... to your first ever science project in school consisting of making a solar system model with styrofoam balls.  Every teacher has a globe on her desk.  You see the stuff about the "space program" all over TV, in the media, in movies (with one of the movie companies having the globe for their logo).  You see this nonsense everywhere.

    Every kid wants to grow up to be either a President or an astronaut (as you're indoctrinated through the education system).

    When the Challenger disaster happened, teachers rolled TVs into the classroom to further indoctrinate the kids.  Do you know that most of the "astronauts" that were "killed" in that disaster are still alive.  Amazingly, 3-4 of them had "identical twins" and the others either slightly changed their names (started using their middle names) and went about their lives (after undoubtedly taking a huge payoff).

    Hitler bad, Uncle Joe Stalin and the chubby loveable Churchill good ... and it goes on and on and on.  We've been lied to about EVERYTHING.  Moon Landing was a hoax precisely in order to perpetuate the myth of our living on a spinning ball and to further instill the propaganda.

    But here's the thing.  I think that my eyes were opened to the grand deception on 9/11.  From there you start digging and digging.  I listened to a lot of Alex Jones.  Now, he's a gatekeeper on certain issues, but he also exposes a lof of the evil out there.

    Then it took me a bit longer to wake up to the moon landing Hoax.

    But even for me, there was initially huge skepticism regarding flat earth due to the programming.  But I decided to give it a chance and start looking at the evidence.  It got to a point that it was basically impossible to refute.  One could go on for hours and hours about the phenomena that simply don't add up if we truly live on a spinning ball hurtling at breakneck speeds through the solar system, galaxy, and universe.  I had already come to the conclusion that the earth was stationary and at the center of the universe.  But flat?  Yes ... flat, with a solid firmament dome over the top.  Add that to the other scientific hoaxes like evolution or the Big Bang ... all calculated to promote their atheistic agenda.

    And now of course we're faced with the COVID hoax.  Follow the "science" they keep telling everyone.  Yeah, sure, the "science".

    It's one hoax, lie, and deception after another.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #209 on: December 05, 2021, 11:18:48 AM »
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  • Father Paul Robinson would have a mini-stroke reading this thread :laugh1: