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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #165 on: December 03, 2021, 10:21:20 AM »
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  • As others have said, the key is Antarctica.  Why do world leaders secretly visit there?  What's to see?  Why are there multi military bases there?  What is being explored?  What is being kept secret?

    A few things i've run across that *might* be true (I have no way to prove):
    1.  The Book of Enoch (was considered part of Old Testament in Christ's day but post Jerusalem destruction in 70AD, it's texts were lost, so it was left out of canon).

      a.  Enoch describes a place geographically similar to Antarctica where the "fallen angels" of Noah's days were chained in the center of the earth.  These are not devils but the "evil spirits" who roam the earth, when God allows.
      b.  The point is, I believe that part of Christ's allowance for the devil's "100 years of power" in Pope Leo's vision was to allow these "fallen angels" to communicate with men directly, so to advise them on how to build satan's kingdom (if God so allows it).
      c.  Such communication happened in the day's of Noah, which led to the Nephalim, and also post-Flood, when the "Giants" roamed the earth and which led to the construction of the Tower of Babel (one of the first attempts at building satan's kingdom on earth).

    2. Antarctica is very mysterious and off-limits.  Why?
      a.  Antarctica is supposedly very mineral-rich and might not be as cold as we are led to believe.  Some scientists say that there are tropical like conditions in the lower regions of the ice, with warm waters, which is one reason why the "polar ice caps" melt on a normal, routine basis.
      b.  There are military bases in Antarctica (that we know of) - what else was built there that we don't know about?  Imagine what could've been built there in the last 70 years, with a combination of money, effort and planning between every major nation on earth?  The possibilities are staggering. 
      c.  I think this is where the elites keep all the super-high-technology that they've been working on.  I think "Area 51" was invented (with the alien story) to make people focus on this area, while forgetting all the vast regions of Antarctica, and why the elite global leaders travel there multiple times a year (probably to communicate with devils).
      d.  Antarctica being off-limits also hides the flat earth, which if people found out, would make the entire scientific house-of-cards-community of the past 150 years (going back to evolution) to implode.  People would immediately realize that almost everything they've ever been taught is a lie and society would return to truths which were commonly accepted back in the 1700s, before technology replaced common sense.

    That is a very interesting synopsis.  Thanks!

    I wonder if what Our Lady of La Salette said about "cloning" would have something to do with it all:

    "On occasions, the dead and the righteous will be brought back to life. (That is to say that these dead will take on the form of righteous souls which had lived on earth, in order to lead men further astray; these so-called resurrected dead, who will be nothing but the devil in this form, will preach another Gospel contrary to that of the true Christ Jesus, denying the existence of Heaven; that is also to say, the souls of the damned. All these souls will appear as if fixed to their bodies)."

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #166 on: December 03, 2021, 10:46:04 AM »
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  • As others have said, the key is Antarctica.  Why do world leaders secretly visit there?  What's to see?  Why are there multi military bases there?  What is being explored?  What is being kept secret?

    A few things i've run across that *might* be true (I have no way to prove):

    In addition, I've seen some information about the nαzιs having a secret base in Antarctica.

    What's very interesting about Antarctica is the massive difference between its climate and that of the alleged opposite side of the globe.  If in fact the earth were at that 23.4 degree tilt (interestingly, that's 66.6 degrees from 90), and that was responsible for the seasons, rather than the movement of the sun between the tropics lines (Cancer and Capricorn), their climates should be somewhat comparable, but they're not even close.  Antarctica is FAR colder and more desolate and more barren.  That would basically make a lot of sense on the most popular flat earth model, which has the sun moving much more quickly around the outer edge when it gets closest to Antarctica, so there would be much less sunlight there than there ever would be at the North Pole.  Both should have a similar 24-hour sun, but the one video out there which claims to show it in Antarctica was clearly faked, with people demonstrating that the cloud patterns were identical at the beginning of the video and at the end.  I'll find the details about the differences between the two "poles", which should in fact be very similar if the seasons were due to the earth's axial tilt.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #167 on: December 03, 2021, 02:17:47 PM »
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  • People were definitely fighting against the globe indoctrination in the 19th century.  This is free to read online, laid out in convenient chapters where you can find experiments, authoritative commentary from experts of the day, and an extensive amount of information on the subject to include the math of a ball earth compared to what we actually experience.  Covers the stars, sun and moon and the "edge" and most questions a globe believer may ask.

    https://sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #168 on: December 03, 2021, 03:04:41 PM »
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  • People were definitely fighting against the globe indoctrination in the 19th century.  This is free to read online, laid out in convenient chapters where you can find experiments, authoritative commentary from experts of the day, and an extensive amount of information on the subject to include the math of a ball earth compared to what we actually experience.  Covers the stars, sun and moon and the "edge" and most questions a globe believer may ask.

    Indoctrination? I thought people have believed in a globe for hundreds of years.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #169 on: December 03, 2021, 05:56:00 PM »
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  • Train track is flat according to ball earthers, yet they also think it bends to follow the curvature of the earth somehow.  Either it's level or it bends, ball earthers want it both ways. They can't have it both ways. My explanation is exactly as I meant it to be and if read as it is stated, without prejudice, makes perfect sense as an answer to someone.  Atmospheric pressure has no bearing here.  We're talking about level and curve which ball earth people somehow equalize.  If a train track is truly level, as in straight and flat and without bend, it cannot extend for hundreds of miles on a ball without exceeding the "gravitational level" pretense, nor would said track stay on the ground but wind up miles above ground because the track is straight but earth is curved.  But that never happens because earth is not curved. I said it every way possible before, this is just another way of stating facts.  Gravity cannot be measured, even according to authorities.  They have theories according to "planetary" objects, but even then, it isn't consistent because certain bodies defy "gravity" and there's no explanation for why.  In other words, "gravity" is a seriously flawed theory.  I'm not saying things don't fall at a certain rate, they do.  But that is totally different than the said gravity that attracts celestial objects together.  Even then, with all the lies coming out of the scientific community, we really don't know how that works, or if it even exists. 
    If you are on a sufficiently large ball, you won't notice the difference between "ortographically flat" and "sticking to the curvature". The train tracks are sticking to the curvature. How would you expect to see this with your measly 2m vantage point above the balls surface? You can't.
    Also, you're talking like we'd be laying a straight steel beam with hundreds of miles in length to the Earth's surface, but this isn't the case. If it was, that'd be a fun experiment to show how it would behave like a see-saw above Earth's surface :laugh1:
    But we can't produce beams with that much structural integrity (yet?).



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #170 on: December 03, 2021, 06:03:47 PM »
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  • Indoctrination? I thought people have believed in a globe for hundreds of years.
    Globe indoctrination has been around since the beginning of time. Pagan philosophies and sciences have always been at odds with early civilizations and later, the Church.  Most ancients believed earth to be like a terrarium, mountains, hills and valleys over a flat terrain with celestial sun moon and stars in the firmament, and the heliocentric model didn't quite take serious foothold until the 16th and 17th centuries. Still, in the 15th century Columbus suffered major persecution for suggesting earth was not a globe.  The powers that be are still after him, tearing down statues and defaming him. Of course, the elite prior to these times were always serving up their versions of globe earth, but the pressure began to ramp up when Galileo came up against Robert Bellarmine and the Pope. The biggest and most effective indoctrination started in the 20th century with mass production of the classroom globes and television when NASA supposedly sent a man to the moon and showed for the first time, pictures and video of a globe earth from space, seemingly proving their case.  A closer look reveals that all of their "photos" are cgi renderings and NASA admitted all of the "photos" are photoshopped. 
         

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #171 on: December 03, 2021, 06:09:48 PM »
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  • Globe indoctrination has been around since the beginning of time. Pagan philosophies and sciences have always been at odds with early civilizations and later, the Church.  Most ancients believed earth to be like a terrarium, mountains, hills and valleys over a flat terrain with celestial sun moon and stars in the firmament, and the heliocentric model didn't quite take serious foothold until the 16th and 17th centuries. Still, in the 15th century Columbus suffered major persecution for suggesting earth was not a globe.  The powers that be are still after him, tearing down statues and defaming him. Of course, the elite prior to these times were always serving up their versions of globe earth, but the pressure began to ramp up when Galileo came up against Robert Bellarmine and the Pope. The biggest and most effective indoctrination started in the 20th century with mass production of the classroom globes and television when NASA supposedly sent a man to the moon and showed for the first time, pictures and video of a globe earth from space, seemingly proving their case.  A closer look reveals that all of their "photos" are cgi renderings and NASA admitted all of the "photos" are photoshopped.
    Columbus believed the earth was round. His entire trip was to go around the world and go to India from behind. The Heliocentric model doesn't prove that the earth is round or flat. NASA's CGI doesn't prove either way either, it just means the photos are faked.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #172 on: December 03, 2021, 06:12:18 PM »
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  • If you are on a sufficiently large ball, you won't notice the difference between "ortographically flat" and "sticking to the curvature". The train tracks are sticking to the curvature. How would you expect to see this with your measly 2m vantage point above the balls surface? You can't.
    Also, you're talking like we'd be laying a straight steel beam with hundreds of miles in length to the Earth's surface, but this isn't the case. If it was, that'd be a fun experiment to show how it would behave like a see-saw above Earth's surface :laugh1:
    But we can't produce beams with that much structural integrity (yet?).

    Well, they lay straight track for literally thousands of miles, piece by piece, and never account for the curve, which after only 100 miles is over a mile of curvature that must be accounted for. The USA takes up a decent chunk of globe yet all individual pieces of track are level except when accounting for elevation changes.  Many civil engineers have testified to this over the centuries.    


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #173 on: December 03, 2021, 06:19:22 PM »
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  • Columbus believed the earth was round. His entire trip was to go around the world and go to India from behind. The Heliocentric model doesn't prove that the earth is round or flat. NASA's CGI doesn't prove either way either, it just means the photos are faked.
    Columbus was an expert plane sailor and knew the earth was flat because his sextant could not operate on a globe because it's an instrument that employs straight lines and angles exclusively.   

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #174 on: December 03, 2021, 06:29:23 PM »
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  • Columbus was an expert plane sailor and knew the earth was flat because his sextant could not operate on a globe because it's an instrument that employs straight lines and angles exclusively. 


    I’ve never heard this before, do you have a reference to support this?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #175 on: December 03, 2021, 06:44:22 PM »
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  • I’ve never heard this before, do you have a reference to support this?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextant

    The above link explains a sextant, although there are several instruments used for celestial or plane sailing.  All of them work using straight lines and angles.  None work on a globe.

    Sadly, most information about Columbus has been expunged from the Internet.  I've read articles about him explaining his expertise in sailing and his frustration in bringing the truth to the King and Queen of Spain.  The powers that be stopped him at every turn.  Even now, you can see in this excerpt how they attempt to explain away his "theories".  Lactantius defended him, but it was to no avail.  Same today with the vax and Fauci, et al.     


    The Council at Salamanca was composed of professors of astronomy, geography, mathematics, as well as church dignitaries and learned friars, and convened to examine Columbus’s “new theory.” Most of the council members were biased against Columbus, “an obscure foreigner, without fortune, or connexions, or any academic honors.” In what must have been the acme of truthiness for Irving, he described the council benighted by “monastic bigotry” and assailing Columbus with Biblical citations. They rejected mathematical demonstrations that conflicted with scriptures or Church Fathers. At issue was not, however, the shape of the earth, but the possibility of antipodes:
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    Thus the possibility of antipodes in the southern hemisphere … became a stumbling block with some of the sages of Salamanca.
    Members of the council invoked Lactantius, who connected the existence of antipodes to the shape of the earth. Irving quoted what has become the standard passage:
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    “The idea of the roundness of the earth,” he adds, “was the cause of inventing this fable of the antipodes with their heels in the air….”
    https://dhayton.haverford.edu/blog/2014/12/02/washington-irvings-columbus-and-the-flat-earth/


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #176 on: December 03, 2021, 09:14:54 PM »
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    Well, they lay straight track for literally thousands of miles, piece by piece, and never account for the curve, which after only 100 miles is over a mile of curvature that must be accounted for. The USA takes up a decent chunk of globe yet all individual pieces of track are level except when accounting for elevation changes.  Many civil engineers have testified to this over the centuries.
    They don't lay straight track. They lay straight track elements which precisely follow the shape of the ground they're laid on. Simplified, this is what a train track on a curved ball looks like, viewed from a profile:

    It's not flat at all. You also don't need to account for this, the curvature is so subtle that you don't need to.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #177 on: December 03, 2021, 09:32:11 PM »
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  • They don't lay straight track. They lay straight track elements which precisely follow the shape of the ground they're laid on. Simplified, this is what a train track on a curved ball looks like, viewed from a profile:

    It's not flat at all. You also don't need to account for this, the curvature is so subtle that you don't need to.

    Looks like a curved track leading round the equator on a flat earth.  ::)
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #178 on: December 03, 2021, 10:36:01 PM »
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  • However, it seems that some people may have seen where the earth and sky/dome come together prior to the treaty. Here is a reference in a 1958 encyclopedia that describes it in the southern regions.

      

    What leads you to think the "dome" mentioned there is a sky "dome" over a flat earth? And that this would be stated in a 1958 encyclopedia?

    No, that "dome" is an ice dome, a hill in a glacier.

    Here's a map showing Domes A, C and F.  There are many more ice domes in Antarctica.
    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-Map-of-Antarctica-with-locations-of-Dome-A-Dome-C-Dome-F-and-Vostok-B-surface_fig3_263441612

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #179 on: December 03, 2021, 11:21:06 PM »
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  • No, that "dome" is an ice dome, a hill in a glacier.

    The 1958 encyclopedia says the "dome" in question is 13,000 ft high and located at about 80o S, 90o E.

    That's probably dome B, an ice dome.

    Dome B is 3809m (=12,500 ft) high and located at 79o S, 93.6o E.