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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #150 on: December 02, 2021, 09:50:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 02, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
    Enjoy!

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=404885936925227

    Pay attention beginning at 2:00 into the video.

    I should view this? LastTradhican should!
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #151 on: December 02, 2021, 09:52:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 02, 2021, 09:27:21 PM
    Yeah, the face of the moon is the same precisely because it's NOT A ROTATING SPHERE.  It's utterly ridiculous that the moon's rotation is perfectly sychronized ...

    It's called tidal locking.

    https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-is-tidal-locking/

    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 02, 2021, 09:31:42 PM
    Enjoy!

    Which stars were allegedly seen "though" the moon? Or were they specs on the photos or artifacts from the camera?

    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 02, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
    And, BTW, it's been proven false that the speed of light doesn't change ... as assumed by Einstein et al.

    You keep bringing up things that 1) are vague claims, 2) sound like nonsense and 3) have no direct relation to flat earth.

    So what are you talking about here?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #152 on: December 02, 2021, 09:58:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 02, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
    Correct.  And light is a wave.  It's precisely the reason scientists believed in the ether.  But then Michelson-Morley demonstrated that the earth doesn't move, so they had to get rid of the concept ASAP.  Thus the mythical unproven Lorentz contraction.

    And, BTW, it's been proven false that the speed of light doesn't change ... as assumed by Einstein et al.

    And you fall for Eric Dubay, who is taking the mickey out of modern physics and astronomy, by inventing "dark spherical bodies" producing moon phases and eclipse shadows on a flat earth.

    He's fooling them, and he's fooling you. Get your philosophy straight, first, Ladislaus. You can't complain about modern physics and astronomy, and then postulate "dark spherical bodies", "like ancient civilizations did thousands of years ago". Your flat earth is idiot, like Lawrence Krauss.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #153 on: December 02, 2021, 11:53:51 PM »
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    Yes, I'm glad you bring it up.  It's amazing that people can use "simple binoculars" to see 85-km wide features on a moon that's allegedly 263,000 miles away. 
    Yep, makes no sense.


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    Find something on Google Earth that's about 50-miles in diameter.  Now move the camera back out.  By the time you get to about 10,000 up, it becomes a tiny dot that you can't make out anymore.  Now take the distance out to 263,000 miles.  :laugh1: title=laugh1  And it can be seen with a "pair of binioculars".
    But, but, but, that would require "thinking"...:confused:  My science book told me...:jester:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #154 on: December 03, 2021, 12:03:18 AM »
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    Even if you don't believe that the earth is flat, just do a simple thought experiment.  Just imagine that it IS flat, that you just discovered that the earth is flat and covered by a firmament ... and that everything you thought you knew was a lie.  It's a bit painful to think about. 
    What's ironic is that those who claim to defend "science" have an emotional connection to any theory.  The entire purpose of science is to follow the facts, wherever they lead.  The true scientific mindset is that every theory is wrong, until proven; that every idea is possible. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #155 on: December 03, 2021, 02:45:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 03, 2021, 12:03:18 AM
    The entire purpose of science is to follow the facts, wherever they lead. 
    That's misleading. Every endeavor follows the facts, but not every endeavor is scientific, because what makes something scientific is its use of the scientific method, the crucial element being the scientific experiment.

    With this understanding applied, there are only a couple Earth curvature hypothesis I know of that make the cut, qualifying as scientific, namely, Eratosthenes' one and also Al-Biruni's. However those hypothesis upon further inspection are revealed to be erroneous, specifically, they fail to isolate the variables. Eratosthenes' observed effect can work on a flat earth with divergent sun rays for instance. And Al-Biruni hypothesis failed to account for refraction. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #156 on: December 03, 2021, 08:59:51 AM »
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    •     “I should know better than to say anything” … J … But, here goes, keeping it simple.
     
    If the earth were flat it would have an edge.  Let’s consider the great seafaring  explorers, beginning with Leif Erikson (970-1020), followed by Christopher Columbus (1451-1506), Vasco da Gama (1460-1524), Ferdinand Magellan (1480-1521), and Juan Sebastian Elcano (1486-1526), to name just a very few of the most notable.  It seems surprising that NONE of them would have discovered this “edge”, considering how much of the planet they traveled across.
     
    Juan Sebastian Elcano is recognized at the first person to circuмnavigate the earth, and was recognized as such by the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558).  I’m not sure how one would circuмnavigate the earth if it wasn’t a globe.
     
    The sun rises in the east and sets in the west.  Regions of the world experience rotational climatic seasons and changing length of daylight, depending on the time of year and their location relative to the equator (or the north or south poles).  It seems to me that these observations are logically understood from a globe earth model, the theories being consistent and generally accepted based on the preponderance of observable data.  I don’t find this with the “flat earth” model, or “models”, as there seem to be several.  Does the sun set in the west and then travel under the earth to rise again in the east on another day … which can’t be true as some part of the earth is always illuminated by the sun at any given time …?  Does the sun “somehow” slide “in and out” of its distance from earth, causing the observable changes in day length and the seasons?  What “mythical power” causes this?  And, the speculations never seem consistent with observable changes in the seasons across the world.
     
    There have been satellites in earth orbit since 1957 (Sputnic 1, USSR) and 1958 (Explorer 1, USA).  Today there are many satellites, several launched and maintained by independent private companies, so I don’t think the “deep state conspiracy theories” apply here.  If it were physically and honestly possible for one of these independent entities to produce satellite pictures of a “flat earth” they would have done so by now, becoming more “rich and famous” than they already are.  None of them have.
     
    But, let us go back before satellites.  If the earth is “flat” it has an edge.  Why has this “edge” not been discovered?  Why has no one traveled to the edge to describe it, produce drawings, take pictures even?   Why isn’t Elon Musk now offering tours there?  Inquiring minds wish to know.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #157 on: December 03, 2021, 09:31:02 AM »
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    • No edge because we have a treaty that eliminates the possibility of getting there. Antarctica ice wall is the inside edge, but no one is allowed to go past it per international treaty. Antarctica surrounds the flat earth like a piecrust. The piecrust" however may extend into large land masses as Admiral Bird described....There is so much we are not "allowed" to know.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #158 on: December 03, 2021, 09:35:22 AM »
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    • This was pretty good on Antarctica:

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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/E4yZxHcTtxB3/
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #159 on: December 03, 2021, 09:36:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on December 03, 2021, 08:59:51 AM
        “I should know better than to say anything” … J … But, here goes, keeping it simple.
     
    If the earth were flat it would have an edge.  Let’s consider the great seafaring  explorers, beginning with Leif Erikson (970-1020), followed by Christopher Columbus (1451-1506), Vasco da Gama (1460-1524), Ferdinand Magellan (1480-1521), and Juan Sebastian Elcano (1486-1526), to name just a very few of the most notable.  It seems surprising that NONE of them would have discovered this “edge”, considering how much of the planet they traveled across.
     
    Juan Sebastian Elcano is recognized at the first person to circuмnavigate the earth, and was recognized as such by the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500-1558).  I’m not sure how one would circuмnavigate the earth if it wasn’t a globe.
     
    The sun rises in the east and sets in the west.  Regions of the world experience rotational climatic seasons and changing length of daylight, depending on the time of year and their location relative to the equator (or the north or south poles).  It seems to me that these observations are logically understood from a globe earth model, the theories being consistent and generally accepted based on the preponderance of observable data.  I don’t find this with the “flat earth” model, or “models”, as there seem to be several.  Does the sun set in the west and then travel under the earth to rise again in the east on another day … which can’t be true as some part of the earth is always illuminated by the sun at any given time …?  Does the sun “somehow” slide “in and out” of its distance from earth, causing the observable changes in day length and the seasons?  What “mythical power” causes this?  And, the speculations never seem consistent with observable changes in the seasons across the world.
     
    There have been satellites in earth orbit since 1957 (Sputnic 1, USSR) and 1958 (Explorer 1, USA).  Today there are many satellites, several launched and maintained by independent private companies, so I don’t think the “deep state conspiracy theories” apply here.  If it were physically and honestly possible for one of these independent entities to produce satellite pictures of a “flat earth” they would have done so by now, becoming more “rich and famous” than they already are.  None of them have.
     
    But, let us go back before satellites.  If the earth is “flat” it has an edge.  Why has this “edge” not been discovered?  Why has no one traveled to the edge to describe it, produce drawings, take pictures even?  Why isn’t Elon Musk now offering tours there?  Inquiring minds wish to know.
    There is no "edge" per se, as if one could fall off into oblivion.  Rather, without the ability to study it with the resources NASA has, there is evidence that the dome of the sky (which Scripture calls the firmament) meets up with extremities of the earth in mountainous areas. Some say an ice shelf surrounds the entire earth but since the Antarctic Treaty in the late 50's early 60's, governments are united against any of us setting foot anywhere in the outer regions to investigate. However, it seems that some people may have seen where the earth and sky/dome come together prior to the treaty. Here is a reference in a 1958 encyclopedia that describes it in the southern regions.




      
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #160 on: December 03, 2021, 09:57:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on December 03, 2021, 09:31:02 AM
    No edge because we have a treaty that eliminates the possibility of getting there. Antarctica ice wall is the inside edge, but no one is allowed to go past it per international treaty. Antarctica surrounds the flat earth like a piecrust. The piecrust" however may extend into large land masses as Admiral Bird described....There is so much we are not "allowed" to know.

    There's clearly SOMEthing in Antarctica they don't want people to see.  Shortly after Admiral Byrd's expedition, the world's nations scrambled to make the Antarctic treaty that has stood for over 60 years now.  Private expeditions are completely forbidden.  My guess is that Byrd found something.  Do you recall a couple years ago where all these famous celebrities were making trips to Antarctica?  What were they there to see?  Just some ice?  A couple of penguins?

    https://gizadeathstar.com/2016/12/antarctica-update-strange-visitors/

    In any case, shortly after they closed off Antarctica, the US started this nuclear program called Fishbowl where they sent nuclear missiles into the upper reaches of the atmosphere and exploded them.  Why?  And why was it called Fishbowl?  Speculation is that Byrd discovered where the firmament touched down beyond the edges of "Antarctica" and that they decided to see if they could blow a hole in it.  Fishbowl sounds very much like a firmament dome.  Alternate name of the operation was Dominic Chama (which translates to the Lord's Shell).

    Shortly thereafter they hastily created NASA and the "space" program, etc. ... an obviously fake space prorgram, created by a bunch of occultists (Aleister Crowley followers), Freemasons, Illuminati, with a sprinkling of formerly-nαzι scientists, probably to hide the fact that we live in an enclosed environment, covered by a firmament (the Lord's shell and a fishbowl).  NASA is absolutely a fake operation.  There were no moon landings and there's tons of demonstrably faked footage of astronauts allegedly on ISS.  There are entire books written on the occultism at NASA (all their occult symbols, Illumanti leadership, etc.)
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #161 on: December 03, 2021, 09:58:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on December 02, 2021, 09:46:54 PM
    Speaking of light and ether, we have actual stars as they are, not worlds as NASA pretends, but rather, lights.  Maybe Scripture got it right after all. 



    Good video. Stars do appear to emit their own light. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #162 on: December 03, 2021, 10:05:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 03, 2021, 09:58:46 AM
    Good video. Stars do appear to emit their own light.

    Right, these images (vs. NASA CGI) very closely resemble electrical phenomna under water.  I've seen them being compared.  Maybe there ARE in fact waters above the firmament, exactly as the Holy Spirit told us in Sacred Scripture, eh?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #163 on: December 03, 2021, 10:10:32 AM »
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    If the earth is “flat” it has an edge.  Why has this “edge” not been discovered?  Why has no one traveled to the edge to describe it, produce drawings, take pictures even?
    As others have said, the key is Antarctica.  Why do world leaders secretly visit there?  What's to see?  Why are there multi military bases there?  What is being explored?  What is being kept secret?

    A few things i've run across that *might* be true (I have no way to prove):
    1.  The Book of Enoch (was considered part of Old Testament in Christ's day but post Jerusalem destruction in 70AD, it's texts were lost, so it was left out of canon).

      a.  Enoch describes a place geographically similar to Antarctica where the "fallen angels" of Noah's days were chained in the center of the earth.  These are not devils but the "evil spirits" who roam the earth, when God allows.
      b.  The point is, I believe that part of Christ's allowance for the devil's "100 years of power" in Pope Leo's vision was to allow these "fallen angels" to communicate with men directly, so to advise them on how to build satan's kingdom (if God so allows it).
      c.  Such communication happened in the day's of Noah, which led to the Nephalim, and also post-Flood, when the "Giants" roamed the earth and which led to the construction of the Tower of Babel (one of the first attempts at building satan's kingdom on earth).

    2. Antarctica is very mysterious and off-limits.  Why?
      a.  Antarctica is supposedly very mineral-rich and might not be as cold as we are led to believe.  Some scientists say that there are tropical like conditions in the lower regions of the ice, with warm waters, which is one reason why the "polar ice caps" melt on a normal, routine basis.
      b.  There are military bases in Antarctica (that we know of) - what else was built there that we don't know about?  Imagine what could've been built there in the last 70 years, with a combination of money, effort and planning between every major nation on earth?  The possibilities are staggering. 
      c.  I think this is where the elites keep all the super-high-technology that they've been working on.  I think "Area 51" was invented (with the alien story) to make people focus on this area, while forgetting all the vast regions of Antarctica, and why the elite global leaders travel there multiple times a year (probably to communicate with devils).
      d.  Antarctica being off-limits also hides the flat earth, which if people found out, would make the entire scientific house-of-cards-community of the past 150 years (going back to evolution) to implode.  People would immediately realize that almost everything they've ever been taught is a lie and society would return to truths which were commonly accepted back in the 1700s, before technology replaced common sense.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #164 on: December 03, 2021, 10:14:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 03, 2021, 10:10:32 AM
    As others have said, the key is Antarctica.  Why do world leaders secretly visit there?  What's to see?  Why are there multi military bases there?  What is being explored?  What is being kept secret?

    A few things i've run across that *might* be true (I have no way to prove):
    1.  The Book of Enoch (was considered part of Old Testament in Christ's day but post Jerusalem destruction in 70AD, it's texts were lost, so it was left out of canon).

      a.  Enoch describes a place geographically similar to Antarctica where the "fallen angels" of Noah's days were chained in the center of the earth.  These are not devils but the "evil spirits" who roam the earth, when God allows.
      b.  The point is, I believe that part of Christ's allowance for the devil's "100 years of power" in Pope Leo's vision was to allow these "fallen angels" to communicate with men directly, so to advise them on how to build satan's kingdom (if God so allows it).
      c.  Such communication happened in the day's of Noah, which led to the Nephalim, and also post-Flood, when the "Giants" roamed the earth and which led to the construction of the Tower of Babel (one of the first attempts at building satan's kingdom on earth).

    2. Antarctica is very mysterious and off-limits.  Why?
      a.  Antarctica is supposedly very mineral-rich and might not be as cold as we are led to believe.  Some scientists say that there are tropical like conditions in the lower regions of the ice, with warm waters, which is one reason why the "polar ice caps" melt on a normal, routine basis.
      b.  There are military bases in Antarctica (that we know of) - what else was built there that we don't know about?  Imagine what could've been built there in the last 70 years, with a combination of money, effort and planning between every major nation on earth?  The possibilities are staggering. 
      c.  I think this is where the elites keep all the super-high-technology that they've been working on.  I think "Area 51" was invented (with the alien story) to make people focus on this area, while forgetting all the vast regions of Antarctica, and why the elite global leaders travel there multiple times a year (probably to communicate with devils).
      d.  Antarctica being off-limits also hides the flat earth, which if people found out, would make the entire scientific house-of-cards-community of the past 150 years (going back to evolution) to implode.  People would immediately realize that almost everything they've ever been taught is a lie and society would return to truths which were commonly accepted back in the 1700s, before technology replaced common sense.
    Yea, didn't Francis visit Antarctica recently?  Of all people.  Definitely makes you go hmm. 
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