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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2021, 07:11:47 PM »
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  • The globe model does explain the well known moon phases and eclipse shadows.

    No it doesn't.  There are lots of phenomena regarding eclipses and the moon phases that do not make sense with the globe model.  As I mentioned, the prevailing theory regarding eclipses is the one that ancient people held, that there's another body, in addition to the sun and the moon, that does not give light, but sometimes ends up between the sun and the moon or else in front of them.  I've said this before.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #61 on: November 29, 2021, 07:16:53 PM »
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  • I have no horse in this race, I could care less if the earth is flat or a globe, that said, you ask for detailed information above, but I have a simple question that will convince everyone without a doubt:

    Show me a real picture of the round earth. The USA has supposedly gone to Mars, but they took no pictures of Earth? Thanks and God Bless.

    That's a whole different topic which has nothing to do with flat-earth-tards. You're just sidetracking and obfuscating the real topic. Who cares what the USA supposedly did? Whether they took pictures, took no pictures, faked pictures or whatever. Whatever they did or didn't doesn't prove that the earth is flat.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #62 on: November 29, 2021, 07:22:05 PM »
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  • No it doesn't.  There are lots of phenomena regarding eclipses and the moon phases that do not make sense with the globe model.  As I mentioned, the prevailing theory regarding eclipses is the one that ancient people held, that there's another body, in addition to the sun and the moon, that does not give light, but sometimes ends up between the sun and the moon or else in front of them.  I've said this before.

    Yes you repeat yourself. But who do you think you fool with "the prevailing theory regarding eclipses is the one that ancient people held" which is just taking the mickey out of the "dark matter" of modern astronomy?

    If you just want say: "Modern astronomy is crap, then I can come up with crap flat earth." Then I got you. Touché: Flat earth is crap.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #63 on: November 29, 2021, 07:24:55 PM »
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  • The flat earth has never made sense to me. I do believe gravity exists but I have a theory that angels have something to do with it. They do have control over the celestial bodies and the heavens. It's essentially the force that causes stuff to fall, in order to move something, it needs propellant or a driving force, gravity is the driving force that causes an object to propel downwards. Another thing is the international space station. Some of you will probably say "Oh, that's just a NASA lie. It doesn't exist". Well, it does and there is a site where you can track its movement. And it's gone over my house several times and you can see it with a telescope. Now this doesn't mean that I believe we went to the moon or the rover on mars, or the Heliocentric model. There are legitimate doubts for many of those topics.  

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #64 on: November 29, 2021, 09:01:58 PM »
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  • There are lots of phenomena regarding eclipses and the moon phases that do not make sense with the globe model.

    You've made yet another vague claim with no specifics. List these alleged "phenomena.... that do not make sense"

    Lunar eclipses during daylight are possible, so that's not on the list.

    Show me a real picture of the round earth.

    Easily found on the internet, but FE proponents don't accept them. Because NASA.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #65 on: November 29, 2021, 09:38:59 PM »
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  • There is no reason whatsoever to believe earth is a globe.  NASA lies nonstop. Toilets flushing one direction or the other has no bearing. Pendulums swing sometimes, sometimes they don't. Ships disappearing over the horizon has been proven false. I'd be surprised if anyone could produce a single proof earth is a globe.   

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #66 on: November 29, 2021, 09:55:42 PM »
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  • The fact that people get so angry over this subject made me look into it. And, well, there's some good questions raised.

    Want space photos, well, here we have inconsistencies with supposedly "real" photos of the earth (note not just the colors, but the size of the continents vary too):
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #67 on: November 29, 2021, 10:10:38 PM »
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  • The fact that people get so angry over this subject made me look into it. And, well, there's some good questions raised.

    Want space photos, well, here we have inconsistencies with supposedly "real" photos of the earth (note not just the colors, but the size of the continents vary too):

    Well, it still doesn't prove that earth isn't a globe. It just raises doubts over whether or not those pictures are real. It's like photoshopping 8 pictures of the empire state building. When a person notices differences, it doesn't prove that the building doesn't exist, just the doubt of the pictures themselves being real or not.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #68 on: November 29, 2021, 10:11:54 PM »
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  • One thing I find hilarious about Cathinfo is the fact that subjects get derailed left and right. This is a thread asking if denial of a fact is a lie and we are now arguing about the shape of the earth

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #69 on: November 29, 2021, 10:15:26 PM »
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  • Well, it still doesn't prove that earth isn't a globe. It just raises doubts over whether or not those pictures are real. It's like photoshopping 8 pictures of the empire state building. When a person notices differences, it doesn't prove that the building doesn't exist, just the doubt of the pictures themselves being real or not.
    Of course it doesn't prove the shape of the earth, the point here is that even appeals to the supposed centers of scientific dogma cannot be trusted to be consistent or correct. I think there's some interesting proofs in favor of FE, but also a lot of valid problems as Stanley has been pointing out. I went through a phase of interest in FE and came away seriously not caring about the shape of the earth because my time should be spent on better things.

    One thing I find hilarious about Cathinfo is the fact that subjects get derailed left and right. This is a thread asking if denial of a fact is a lie and we are now arguing about the shape of the earth
    I know, right? I'm surprised Matthew hasn't shut it down or moved it to the FE ghetto :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #70 on: November 30, 2021, 09:46:21 AM »
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  • That's a whole different topic which has nothing to do with flat-earth-tards. You're just sidetracking and obfuscating the real topic. Who cares what the USA supposedly did? Whether they took pictures, took no pictures, faked pictures or whatever. Whatever they did or didn't doesn't prove that the earth is flat.
    I take it that that means you have no pictures, moreover, I take it that you do not believe NASA went to the Moon or Mars. This is no sidetrack, you claim you've seen the Lochness Monster and I am asking you for photos, not theories about water temperatures and lifespans of dinosaurs. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #71 on: November 30, 2021, 12:18:25 PM »
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  • I take it that that means you have no pictures, moreover, I take it that you do not believe NASA went to the Moon or Mars. This is no sidetrack, you claim you've seen the Lochness Monster and I am asking you for photos, not theories about water temperatures and lifespans of dinosaurs.
    Fun Fact: Saint Columba saw the Loch Ness monster. It's one of the first recorded sightings of the creature


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #72 on: November 30, 2021, 03:22:16 PM »
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  • I take it that that means you have no pictures, moreover, I take it that you do not believe NASA went to the Moon or Mars. This is no sidetrack, you claim you've seen the Lochness Monster and I am asking you for photos, not theories about water temperatures and lifespans of dinosaurs.

    Globe-earthers can predict eclipses, and have done so for thousands of years, while lunatic flat-earthers can't. And you obviously don't even have a clue why that is how it is.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #73 on: November 30, 2021, 03:30:38 PM »
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  • Fernão de Magalhães, by sailing around the globe earth, proved that globe earth navigaton techniques work very well. Including the fact that he counted one sunrise less than folks at home.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #74 on: November 30, 2021, 04:49:27 PM »
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  • Globe-earthers can predict eclipses, and have done so for thousands of years, while lunatic flat-earthers can't. And you obviously don't even have a clue why that is how it is.
    You'll earn a lot of friends with your attitude. 

    Listen, I told you clearly, and I'll repeat it again, I don't give a hoot if the Earth is a globe or flat. You didn't answer my question, so that's the end of that.
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