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Offline Cryptinox

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Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« on: November 26, 2021, 07:16:41 PM »
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  • I heard someone in a trad cath group say this and an article from R.I. says this. He said those who believe flat Earth in face of the facts are liars. 

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2021, 06:53:02 AM »
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  • I would say that if someone genuinely believes something, they can't be accused of lying. Maybe ignorant or stupid, but not a liar. (I'm not calling "flat-earthers" ignorant or stupid. I don't know anything about it)  
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2021, 07:31:59 AM »
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  • What’s RI?  Lying by definition is stating something that’s not in conformity with your mind. So if someone believes something, that’s not lying.  I believe that all the actual facts favor Flat Earth.  Initially I was opposed to the notion, but when I actually looked at the evidence, I had to concede.  Earth is a flat plane enclosed by a firmament dome.  That we live on a globe flying through space is one of the Illuminat’s greatest lies to mankind.  Most people just SAY the earth is a globe because they are brainwashed into believing it.  But as soon as you start digging into the actual evidence, it becomes clear that it’s a lie.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2021, 07:34:41 AM »
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  • I believe that all the actual facts favor Flat Earth.  Initially I was opposed to the notion, but when I actually looked at the evidence, I had to concede.  Earth is a flat plane enclosed by a firmament dome.  That we live on a globe flying through space is one of the Illuminati’s greatest lies to mankind.  Most people just SAY the earth is a globe because they are brainwashed into believing it.  But as soon as you start digging into the actual evidence, it becomes clear that it’s a lie.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2021, 08:05:23 AM »
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  • They're ludicrous: "Galileo was wrong, the Church was wrong, Eric Dubai is right".

    They don't explain phases of the moon or shadows during eclipses, and don't even care to propose a concrete model, to avoid being debunked as wackos.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2021, 08:31:10 AM »
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  • They're ludicrous ...

    This is the typical reaction from the powerful brainwashing.  No, it’s not just Eric Dubay.  There are literally dozens of scientific books from the 19th century making the case for Flat Earth, and many of the arguments cannot be refuted.  There is a model, but no it doesn’t provide all the answers.  But then 90% of all science that’s taught as dogma to schoolchildren is actually just theory, and their theories are falling apart even to the admission of many mainstream scientists.  So excuse Flat Earth for having some theory as well.  If you allowed yourself to open your mind, shake the brainwashing, and look objectively at the facts, you’d come to the same realization.

    As far as the moon, it’s often translucent, where you can actually see stars through it.  There are daytime eclipses for which science has no explanation, just speculation.  Shadows can be caused by any number of things.  But if they’re caused by the earth, then how can there be eclipses when the sun is visible in the sky.

    I don’t want to go into the evidence here, but the preponderance of evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of our living on a flat plane enclosed by a firmament above.  Sacred Scripture clearly also describes the world that way.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2021, 08:39:20 AM »
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  • :facepalm:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2021, 01:09:40 PM »
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  • Just out of curiosity, Ladislaus, which flat earth model do you believe in?


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2021, 01:11:22 PM »
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  • Just out of curiosity, Ladislaus, which flat earth model do you believe in?
    The cool one is where the sun goes under the oceans at night and time zones are a Zionist conspiracy. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #9 on: November 27, 2021, 01:11:59 PM »
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  • I would say that if someone genuinely believes something, they can't be accused of lying.

    Yes, unless they know it's not true and are trying to embrace a lie with both hands, desperately, for some reason -- in that case, they WOULD by deceiving themselves, or LYING TO themselves. Which actually seems to be a more serious sin against the truth than trying to deceive another.

    When you deceive your neighbor, there's usually something in it for you. 
    When you deceive yourself, it's more of a malicious, diabolical "problem" with the truth/reality that God maintains in existence at all times. You know what the devil thinks of the truth. He lies for fun.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2021, 07:12:17 PM »
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  • Just out of curiosity, Ladislaus, which flat earth model do you believe in?

    There's a consensus model, with North Pole in the center, Antarctica on the edges.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2021, 07:16:44 PM »
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  • :facepalm:

    Right back at you, bud.  You'll realize someday what a fool you've been.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2021, 09:20:59 PM »
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  • Flat Earth, and many of the arguments cannot be refuted. 

    Can you provide these arguments you claim are irrefutable? Perhaps in the appropriate subforum?

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    As far as the moon, it’s often translucent, where you can actually see stars through it.

    Provide some evidence for the claim you can "see stars through it".

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    There are daytime eclipses for which science has no explanation, just speculation.  Shadows can be caused by any number of things.  But if they’re caused by the earth, then how can there be eclipses when the sun is visible in the sky.

    Lunar eclipses can occur during daylight. You've been told this before. It is not a mystery and is fully explained by the mainstream cosmology.

    On the other hand, all lunar eclipses should be impossible in the "consensus model" you advocate on this forum.

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    I don’t want to go into the evidence here...

    Then provide the "evidence" in the appropriate subforum.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #13 on: November 27, 2021, 09:54:01 PM »
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  • There's a consensus model, with North Pole in the center, Antarctica on the edges.

    What about the sizes, the shapes, and the trajectories of the sun and the moon, explaining the mentioned visible shades?

    Are you dishonest, or trying to avoid being debunked as a wacko?

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2021, 03:03:15 PM »
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  • Still no model. 

    Either dishonest, or to avoid being debunked as a wacko.

    Are you a man, Ladislaus, able to defend your flat point that both Galilei and the Church were wrong?
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