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Offline TradMan80

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #90 on: November 30, 2021, 10:53:36 PM »
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    • What's FE?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #91 on: November 30, 2021, 10:58:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on November 30, 2021, 10:52:26 PM
    What makes people so interested in defeating the FE position if it's so easy to destroy? What can we make of this?

    I fight against it for the reason given in my previous post. Flat-earthism is a variant of postmodernism. Vitriolic, alchemical, destroying common sense and thereby the basis of the Faith.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #92 on: November 30, 2021, 11:03:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: TradMan80 on November 30, 2021, 10:53:36 PM
    What's FE?

    An abbreviation for "flat earth". That's a term frequently used in this thread.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #93 on: December 01, 2021, 07:04:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on November 30, 2021, 10:58:36 PM
    I fight against it for the reason given in my previous post. Flat-earthism is a variant of postmodernism. Vitriolic, alchemical, destroying common sense and thereby the basis of the Faith.

    There's more to your vitriol and animosity than just that.

    In fact, if you study the history of science, from the rejection of geocentrism to evolution, the Big Bang, etc. ... it was entirely driven by an atheistic agenda.  So I think it's exactly the opposite of what you say.

    Very few subjects are censored by Big Tech more than Flat Earth.  There's definitely something to it that the establishment fear and despite.  It's easier to find 9/11 Inside Job videos that it is Flat Earth.  Several FE proponents have had their Youtube channels deleted ... multiple times.  When you search for Flat Earth proofs, etc. on Google, you get nothing but debunking sites.  You have to go to an offbeat search engine like Yandex to find anything.  Among other things, FE prove that NASA is nothing but a massive fraud, with hours of video proving that things like astronauts floating on ISS are fake, that spacewalks are fake, etc.

    But who knows, perhaps Big Tech is now on the side of the anti-postmodernism, a partisan of truth and goodness ... just this one time.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #94 on: December 01, 2021, 07:11:15 AM »
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    • It's a simple fact that there are dozens upon dozens of experiments out there demonstrating that we can "see too far" given the purported curvature of the earth.  Multiple laser experiments, and many optical experiments with telescopes and Nikon P900/1000 cameras, etc.  Refraction is the magic weapon to explain all of this, but several of these groups have done the refraction math and conclusively ruled it out.  I even saw one group from South America who used precision / engineering GPS equipment to demonstrate that two tall buildings that should, on a globe earth, have been leaning away from one another (being miles apart), were actually parallel ... with their tops and their bottoms being exactly the same distance apart.  There's hours of footage demonstrating this.

    One guy who was anti-flat earth went out and demonstrated this with mountains that were about 30 miles apart (but with a simlar elevation, within like 50 feet) ... lined up perfectly and had the same perceived elevation, even though the one farther away should have been a few hundred feet lower.  Refraction couldn't account for this, and at the end of his video he was seriously distraught and asking for people to come up with explanations for this, saying he had no idea what to make of it because he didn't want to accept flat earth.  He was an active anti-flat-earther on various forums.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #95 on: December 01, 2021, 10:44:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on November 30, 2021, 10:52:26 PM
    What makes people so interested in defeating the FE position if it's so easy to destroy? What can we make of this?

    Exactly. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #96 on: December 01, 2021, 10:50:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 01, 2021, 07:04:49 AM
    There's more to your vitriol and animosity than just that.

    In fact, if you study the history of science, from the rejection of geocentrism to evolution, the Big Bang, etc. ... it was entirely driven by an atheistic agenda.  So I think it's exactly the opposite of what you say.

    Very few subjects are censored by Big Tech more than Flat Earth.  There's definitely something to it that the establishment fear and despite.  It's easier to find 9/11 Inside Job videos that it is Flat Earth.  Several FE proponents have had their Youtube channels deleted ... multiple times.  When you search for Flat Earth proofs, etc. on Google, you get nothing but debunking sites.  You have to go to an offbeat search engine like Yandex to find anything.  Among other things, FE prove that NASA is nothing but a massive fraud, with hours of video proving that things like astronauts floating on ISS are fake, that spacewalks are fake, etc.

    But who knows, perhaps Big Tech is now on the side of the anti-postmodernism, a partisan of truth and goodness ... just this one time.

    Well said. Globe earth is an invention of an atheistic agenda, but if people do not take the time to research this - they'll assume that FE advocates are the bad guys. I can understand why people believe in a globe earth, since FE seems so absurd, unless one takes the time to sincerely research it. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #97 on: December 01, 2021, 11:00:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on December 01, 2021, 07:40:34 AM
    [color=var(--sub-header)]6. Ride a plane[/color]
    If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-distance trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:
    • Planes can travel in a relatively straight line for a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also circle the Earth [color=var(--link-color)]without stopping[/iurl].[/size][/font][/size][/color]
    • If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the Earth on the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the [color=var(--link-color)]Concorde[/iurl], but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait to see the pictures from the new plane by Virgin Galactic—the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.[/size][/font][/size][/color]

    We can stop right there.  That entire article is a lie.  Even Neil deGrasse Tyson admits that you cannot see curvature at that height.  He even pointed out that in the famous "Red Bull" jump showed a curve fabricated by a wide-angle / fisheye lense and emphatically stated "that thing is flat".

    No airplanes fly over Antarctica, and there is no "edge" to fall off.

    But, now that you bring up planes.  Going at the speed the travel, they would constantly have to correct for the curvature ever few minutes to avoid inadvertently increasing altitude as the surface falls beneath them.  They have to do nothing of the sort.  All the pilot training manuals clearly state that the principles therein are predicated upon a "flat nonrotating earth".  I've seen interviews from professional airlines pilots and even a former F-16 pilot who have confirmed that the earth is flat.  That F-16 pilot explained the various targeting systems in the plane and described how they could not work if there were any curvature of the globe.

    This article you posted is amateur hour.



    Baumgartner was FOUR TIMES the height of an average commercial airplane altitude.  If there's any perception of curvature it's due to the limits of your vision.  As you look in different directions, there's the perception of an arc due to your being at the center of a circle.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #98 on: December 01, 2021, 11:19:24 AM »
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    But, now that you bring up planes.  Going at the speed the travel, they would constantly have to correct for the curvature ever few minutes to avoid inadvertently increasing altitude as the surface falls beneath them.  They have to do nothing of the sort.  All the pilot training manuals clearly state that the principles therein are predicated upon a "flat nonrotating earth".  I've seen interviews from professional airlines pilots and even a former F-16 pilot who have confirmed that the earth is flat.  That F-16 pilot explained the various targeting systems in the plane and described how they could not work if there were any curvature of the globe.
    Great point and makes sense.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #99 on: December 01, 2021, 11:22:22 AM »
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    Here are 10 Irrefutable Proofs the the Earth is not Flat,
    :facepalm:  Xavier attempts no critical thinking but posts a link to an establishment website.  :jester:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #100 on: December 01, 2021, 11:45:15 AM »
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    Now you come up with flat earthism, claiming that Gallilei was wrong and the Church was wrong.
    :confused:  A flat earth, globe atmosphere model actually supports the Church's original view and matches with Scripture.  It destroys the Copernican lie of satanic sun-worship.  I don't understand your comment.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #101 on: December 01, 2021, 11:48:40 AM »
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    Um, I've actually seen this numerous times with my own eyes. You can stand on the shore of any large body of water with large ships on it and see it for yourself. As they are sailing away, the water moves up from the bottom of the ship to the top blocking it from view.
    Yeti, just because you can see something doesn't mean it's not an optical illusion.  Our eyes were designed primary to see colors and shapes; they are horrible judges of perception, depth, and distance.  What you describe is just your eyes reaching the limit of depth perception and not being able to relay a coherent picture back to your brain.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #102 on: December 01, 2021, 11:57:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 01, 2021, 11:48:40 AM
    Yeti, just because you can see something doesn't mean it's not an optical illusion.  Our eyes were designed primary to see colors and shapes; they are horrible judges of perception, depth, and distance.  What you describe is just your eyes reaching the limit of depth perception and not being able to relay a coherent picture back to your brain.

    There are dozens of videos out there showing that a boat appears to disappear, but then using a zoom camera like the Nikon P900 / P1000 you just zoom in a bit and it returns to ful view.  That camera is one of the biggest reasons for the resurgence of Flat Earth.  There was a movement in the late 19th century as well ... many books written on the subject.

    There are so many videos demonstarting that we can "see too far" ... but one could argue they were faked ... except there are photographs taken by disinterested third parties who aren't Flat Earthers per se, such as this one.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=554945265254988

    One of these days, I'll go out and try it myself.

    Really the only comeback is a magical "refraction" which bends light exactly around the curvature of the earth, but I've seen books and papers that did the refraction math and ruled it out.  I also saw a 20+ mile laser experiment, where they calculated the temperature/humidity differences all along the route of the laser and did the math, again ruling it out.

    I was skeptical at first myself, but the more I dug and the more I dug, the more that the start realization hit me about how much we've been lied to, about everything.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #103 on: December 01, 2021, 12:00:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 01, 2021, 11:57:57 AM
    There are dozens of videos out there showing that a boat appears to disappear, but then using a zoom camera like the Nikon P900 / P1000 you just zoom in a bit and it returns to ful view.  That camera is one of the biggest reasons for the resurgence of Flat Earth.  There was a movement in the late 19th century as well ... many books written on the subject.

    There are so many videos demonstarting that we can "see too far" ... but one could argue they were faked ... except there are photographs taken by disinterested third parties who aren't Flat Earthers per se, such as this one.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=554945265254988

    One of these days, I'll go out and try it myself.

    Really the only comeback is a magical "refraction" which bends light exactly around the curvature of the earth, but I've seen books and papers that did the refraction math and ruled it out.  I also saw a 20+ mile laser experiment, where they calculated the temperature/humidity differences all along the route of the laser and did the math, again ruling it out.

    I was skeptical at first myself, but the more I dug and the more I dug, the more that the start realization hit me about how much we've been lied to, about everything.
    Can we just send a camera attached to a parachute + hot air balloon and just see the shape of the earth like that.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #104 on: December 01, 2021, 12:12:49 PM »
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    • These are lengthy, but interview with professionals who aver that the earth is flat.

    https://flatearthscienceandbible.wordpress.com/2018/09/14/professionals-and-military-personnel-confirm-the-flat-earth/
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