First lie in the "debunking" video (about 15 seconds in) is "He claims to be skeptic, but he's not."  He's got docuмented history on the forums being a skeptic, and even after the video, he declined to be identified as a flat earther, calling it "craziness", and saying that he could not bring himself to accept a "conspiracy of that size."  I'll get to the rest later when I have time.  As I said, the debunkers hope that nobody actually bothers to inspect their work.

The last few days of responses here suggests that flat earth belief is not really about evidence. Sure we discuss evidence because it's fun, but I don't get the sense it matters much.

I think it has more to do with distrust of "science", much of which is justified. In a sense "science" tells us "this is how reality works", which can be imposing, take away one's voice, marginalize, disenfranchize, and isolate. Thus the tendency to group together with like-minded people, to feel less isolated.

People who give consideration to flat earth aren't afraid to ask questions.  They aren't afraid of being mocked or isolated.  I have asked these questions on other forums where everyone quickly ganged up on me and laughed at me.   It's not fun but that didn't change my mind.  Not many people can handle being laughed at and it's a weapon used in almost every globe earth video I've watched.  To me that's a red flag. It makes me question it all the more.  Why is it so funny?  Why is it so outrageous to ask these questions?  It's like labeling anyone questioning the gene editing serum an anti-vaxxer and ostracizing them.  You can question the safety and efficacy of any other medicine and that's acceptable, but thou shalt not question the Big JAB!   That's Tavistock social engineering.  

Globe earth clearly is a massive social engineering program or questions would be seen as normal and discussed without passion. If you ask questions about photosynthesis or any other topic in science it's discussed without passion so what is the big deal about questioning globe earth?  That's some kind of spellcasting.

This is the first time I have ever talked to people who share my questioning of the given narrative, questions I have had for over 30 years now.

The same is true for 911, Covid and other psyops.  I said there is no flight 93 plane at the "crash site" and the WTC buildings couldn't fall like that from fire that day and people ignored me and moved on.  I was astounded that nobody was noticing and talking about this.  I've tried to wake friends to the truth with the evidence in later years to no avail and they called me a "troofer".  Yeah, I like truth so I ask questions.  I guess some people fear ridicule and are more prone to brainwashing than others.

That can also happen with flat earth, I suppose, which is why I don't like ad hominems and mocking on either side.  Yet, most FE people walked this path alone for many years before finding others who were brave enough to out their thoughts on the matter.

So it's not about distrusting "science" it's actually using the scientific method to ask questions and challenge the narrative even if people laugh at you.

People have to weigh the evidence and come to their own conclusions.  

Even if it were, the earth curves 1 degree per 70 miles. Would you notice that? I doubt it. In low visibility conditions, pilots who ignore their instruments can make perception errors sufficient to destroy a plane. 1 degree is nothing.

And at say 2500 mph, the SR-71 would go 42 miles in 1 minute. Your "drop" calculator would give 1176 ft / min.

Stanley, you use these abstract terms (degrees) and get lost in la-la land.  Bring it back to reality. 


42 miles per minute = 1,176 ft drop.  How would a pilot not notice this?  That's almost a quarter of a mile.
After 2 minutes, 84 miles, = almost 0.5 mile drop.
70 miles, or 1 degree, would = somewhere in the middle of 1 and 2 minutes.

You said that 70 miles, or 1 degree, is "nothing" and one "wouldn't notice it".  How does one not notice an approx quarter of a mile difference?  They'd be flying towards space??

I wouldn't go so far as calling it "deception". That requires intent.

Fair enough, but I wouldn’t rule it out.

You said that 70 miles, or 1 degree, is "nothing" and one "wouldn't notice it".  How does one not notice an approx quarter of a mile difference?  They'd be flying towards space??

OK, let's look at it your way.

The plane has instruments including a horizon indicator - a line that turns and goes up or down to tell the pilot where "level" is. There is also typically a reference line in the middle.

So I'm flying along and the line goes a tiny amount below the reference line. I would adjust without thinking of it. I'm already making other adjustments in flight  (for wind gusts, etc) to maintain heading and level. A fraction of a degree change is quite small.

It's not a perfect analogy, but it's like driving a car down a nearly straight road. You occasionally drift left or right and adjust the car to stay in the middle of the road.

The road itself is practically straight but curves 1 degree in 70 miles. That would be entirely handled by the much larger and frequent adjustments you're making anyway.

OK, let's look at it your way.

The plane has instruments including a horizon indicator - a line that turns and goes up or down to tell the pilot where "level" is. There is also typically a reference line in the middle.

So I'm flying along and the line goes a tiny amount below the reference line. I would adjust without thinking of it. I'm already making other adjustments in flight  (for wind gusts, etc) to maintain heading and level. A fraction of a degree change is quite small.

It's not a perfect analogy, but it's like driving a car down a nearly straight road. You occasionally drift left or right and adjust the car to stay in the middle of the road.

The road itself is practically straight but curves 1 degree in 70 miles. That would be entirely handled by the much larger and frequent adjustments you're making anyway.

Your analogies are continuously vague and generic.  You claim to be a scientist, but your analogies have no specific calculations or numbers.  You aren't proving anything other than you either 1) can't or 2) won't provide specific, clear arguments.  

I asked Stanley:  How does one not notice an approx quarter of a mile difference?  (i.e. 1,320 feet)

Stanley's response:  "A fraction of a degree change is quite small."

  What a stupid, generic, dodgy response.  You are no scientist.   You make a mockery of science, which is all about facts, clear calculations and open numbers.  

I asked Stanley:  How does one not notice an approx quarter of a mile difference?  (i.e. 1,320 feet)

Stanley's response:  "A fraction of a degree change is quite small."

  What a stupid, generic, dodgy response.  You are no scientist.   You make a mockery of science, which is all about facts, clear calculations and open numbers. 

You know you can be right and still commit a sin.  Which is more important?

Dispute the information, evidence or logic.   Do not attack the man.

Do not be what St Paul describes as a clanging gong.

People don't need to "Identify" as Flat Earther or Globe Earther and call each other names.  That's a false dialectic that Satan loves to use to muddy waters.

It's much better to just be people asking questions and helping each other examine evidence on a topic.