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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2021, 04:59:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on November 30, 2021, 03:30:38 PM
    Fernão de Magalhães, by sailing around the globe earth, proved that globe earth navigaton techniques work very well. Including the fact that he counted one sunrise less than folks at home.

    Circuмnavigation is as easily accomplished on a flat plane as it is on a globe.  And he would have counted fewer sunrises because of the directon of the sun's rotation over the earth.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #76 on: November 30, 2021, 05:03:59 PM »
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    • As far as predicting eclipses, that was being done a long time before anyone had any conception regarding the size of the world or distance from the sun (which has been revised multiple times from about 2 million all the way up to 93 million miles) ... simply because eclipses appear with regularity.  You simply have to plot them in a table and you can easily calculate future eclipses to within minutes.  Ancient cultures predicted them.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #77 on: November 30, 2021, 05:05:06 PM »
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    • Marion is more worked up about this issue than if I had blasphemed or been promoting heresy.  Why should you care so much?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #78 on: November 30, 2021, 06:18:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on November 30, 2021, 03:22:16 PM
    Globe-earthers can predict eclipses, and have done so for thousands of years, while lunatic flat-earthers can't. And you obviously don't even have a clue why that is how it is.
    This is false.  It's too bad globe believers fall for the most elementary falsehoods and repeat them over and over.  Mankind in general, has been able to determine the cycles of eclipses for thousands of years, to include the majority of civilizations that were flat earthers.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #79 on: November 30, 2021, 07:21:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 30, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
    You'll earn a lot of friends with your attitude.

    You ain't either. Also, I'm not up to maximize the number of friends. Thomas of Kempen explains in his book "Imitation of Christ" why it's better minimize friends. In short: every friend is a potential cause of compromise.


    Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 30, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
    Listen, I told you clearly, and I'll repeat it again, I don't give a hoot if the Earth is a globe or flat.

    I knew you did before you repeated it.


    Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 30, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
    You didn't answer my question, so that's the end of that.

    [The question: I take it that that means you have no pictures, moreover,]

    Before you even asked this specific question, I told you that I don't think that the NASA has pictures which prove that the earth is flat.

    I didn't deem it necessary to mention, that neither do I have pictures which prove that the earth is flat.


    I don't trust "real pictures", like you said you do. They don't prove anything. Above someone posted eight "pictures of the earth". All flat. No reason for me to believe that the earth is flat.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #80 on: November 30, 2021, 07:30:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 30, 2021, 04:59:25 PM
    Circuмnavigation is as easily accomplished on a flat plane as it is on a globe.  And he would have counted fewer sunrises because of the directon of the sun's rotation over the earth.

    But the navigation data of Magalhães showed curvature. The Portuguese measured north-south curvature even before Magalhães, when they sailed the western coast of Africa. And Magalhães additionally detected east-west curvature.

    How does the sun move in your model? Which trajectory? How many fewer sunrises?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #81 on: November 30, 2021, 07:52:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 30, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
    Marion is more worked up about this issue than if I had blasphemed or been promoting heresy.

    The dark matter and energy of modern astronomy is ludicrous, and your dark globe-objects producing the shadows of globes are likewise ludicrous. Instructed by Eric Dubay, you copy the dishonesty/presumptuousness of standard astronomy.


    Quote from: Ladislaus on November 29, 2021, 08:00:45 AM
    Gravity per se has never been proven to exist.

    Gravity is the term used to denote the general observation that objects are heavy. No man in his right mind ever needed a proof for gravity.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #82 on: November 30, 2021, 07:54:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 30, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
    Marion is more worked up about this issue than if I had blasphemed or been promoting heresy.  Why should you care so much?


    The Lord is the truth, not only with respect to canonized truth.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #83 on: November 30, 2021, 08:05:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on November 30, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
    How does the sun move in your model? Which trajectory? How many fewer sunrises?

    In the model Lad peddles, the sun and moon go in daily circles above a disk. The circles vary in size throughout the year, and the sun is more like a spotlight.

    I think even in this model, over one circuмnavigation (going in a circle around the "north pole"), you either get one fewer or one more sunrise, depending on the direction.

    This model still has several problems. One is that it doesn't work for the times when the southern hemisphere has longer days.

    See below, starting about 4:30. (He's rather abrupt in his criticisms, but a globe was settled science in the middle ages.)


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #84 on: November 30, 2021, 08:31:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 30, 2021, 05:03:59 PM
    As far as predicting eclipses, that was being done a long time before anyone had any conception regarding the size of the world or distance from the sun (which has been revised multiple times from about 2 million all the way up to 93 million miles) ... simply because eclipses appear with regularity.  You simply have to plot them in a table and you can easily calculate future eclipses to within minutes.  Ancient cultures predicted them.
    The question is does your FE model predict eclipses using the model?

    Saying eclipses can be done by tables doesn't show (or even claim!) that your FE model makes the same predictions.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #85 on: November 30, 2021, 10:03:12 PM »
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    • Ladislaus, Tristan da Cunha is a group of islands in the southern Atlantic more or less in the middle between Africa and America. There are 245 inhabitants. There's no airport, but about 12 scheduled ships per year:

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    A journey to Tristan da Cunha is always by ship. The 2810 km or 1750 mile journey from Cape Town harbour will normally take six days.
    https://www.tristandc.com/shipping.php

    Cape Town is about the same latitude as Tristan da Cunha. Six days means about 12 knots, that's what the cruising speed of the used ships is, too:

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    RV Lance

    Cruising Speed: 12 Knots
    Maximum Speed: 14 Knots
    https://www.tristandc.com/shipping/news-2021-06-12-lance.php


    How do you explain these numbers on your flat earth? All faked by NASA? What's the distance between Cape Town and Tristan da Cunha (37°7'S 12°18'W) on your flat earth?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #86 on: November 30, 2021, 10:03:23 PM »
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    • Ladislaus, how do you explain that you can't see the Southern Cross where you live?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #87 on: November 30, 2021, 10:04:16 PM »
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    • Ladislaus, how do you determine the geographical latitude of your position on your flat earth, using a sextant? The angle between a star and the horizont doesn't change with latitude on your flat earth?! Do you introduce parallel worlds (or domes) for every observer?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #88 on: November 30, 2021, 10:34:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 30, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
    Marion is more worked up about this issue than if I had blasphemed or been promoting heresy.  Why should you care so much?


    Everyone knows that the so-called "Copernican Revolution" destroyed the Faith of the Church. Now you come up with flat earthism, claiming that Gallilei was wrong and the Church was wrong.

    Your lack of general knowledge doesn't seem to allow you to grasp the consequences of your flat error. The "Copernican Revolution" destroyed all sane philosophy. It turned philosophy of God, being, and reality into philosophy of humans not able to grasp reality, not able to grasp the essence of a single thing. The tent-nail of realism was pulled, and relativism, liberalism, modernism is the result.

    Flat-earthism is when the tent was flattened after the tent-nail was removed.  :fryingpan:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #89 on: November 30, 2021, 10:52:26 PM »
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    • What makes people so interested in defeating the FE position if it's so easy to destroy? What can we make of this?
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