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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #690 on: December 13, 2021, 04:45:15 PM »
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #691 on: December 13, 2021, 05:18:10 PM »
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  • If the earth were flat, you wouldn't have to climb to double height to see farther.
    False.  The reason you have to climb higher is to raise the angle for your eye to be able to see.  If the starting angle is small, 1 degree for instance, even if there was nothing in the way, you couldn't see very far because the angle of resolution is too small.  Climb higher, the angle increases and the distance one can see increases.  Flat earth.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #692 on: December 13, 2021, 05:46:07 PM »
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  • How arrogant is that, gladius_veritatis? You're not even able to check out and calculate an example, but you react as if you believe that the engineers, who built the ships shown above, were idiots.

    They aren't. They built and build useful ships with useful crow's nests.

    :jester::facepalm::jester::facepalm:

    I am not arguing that an elevated perspective isn't useful.  I am saying the advantage upon the supposed globe is completely negligible where the element of time -- which YOU introduced -- is concerned.  Such an observation is correct even when using the math to which you necessarily subscribe.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #693 on: December 13, 2021, 05:53:52 PM »
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  • False.  The reason you have to climb higher is to raise the angle for your eye to be able to see.  If the starting angle is small, 1 degree for instance, even if there was nothing in the way, you couldn't see very far because the angle of resolution is too small.  Climb higher, the angle increases and the distance one can see increases.  Flat earth.

    I don't understand what you are talking about. What is an angle of resolution? Shouldn't a person be able to see anything that is in front of him if there isn't an obstacle in the way? Why would it matter what angle he is looking at the object with in relation to the earth?

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #694 on: December 13, 2021, 06:04:24 PM »
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  • I don't understand what you are talking about. What is an angle of resolution? Shouldn't a person be able to see anything that is in front of him if there isn't an obstacle in the way? Why would it matter what angle he is looking at the object with in relation to the earth?
    You are right.

    I think if the Earth was actually flat, if you were in a crows nest on a ship and were approaching land, you wouldn’t necessarily see the land before the people on the deck. If the Earth is actually curved then a crows nest would be a necessity, especially in olden times.

    There is absolutely no reasonable explanation from FE theorists, that I’m aware of, for seeing a ship disappear on the horizon from the bottom up.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #695 on: December 13, 2021, 06:07:37 PM »
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  • If the earth were flat, you wouldn't have to climb to double height to see farther.
    I disagree with this your opinion.

    On a flat earth, when you're on a ship, let's say 5 meters above the water, you can look parallel to the water, to see a hill on the land in e.g. 100km distance. If you climb high to the crow's nest, at let's say 20 meters above the water, you can still look parallel to the water, to the same hill.

    On a globe earth, at 5 meters above the water, you got a horizon. A circle around you, how far you can see. Objects behind the horizon disappear or partly disappear like the setting sun. If you climb up to 20 meters above the water, the radius of your horizon circle increases. You can still see the whole sun, or at least more of the disappearing setting sun.

    All this is just geometry.

    Now, engineers built and build crow's nests at the time of Columbus and today, to allow for a larger horizon radius. On a flat earth, the crow's nests would be of no avail with respect to a plane rather than curved water surface.

    So either these ship builders were dumb, and the captains sending staff up there, or the earth isn't flat.




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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #696 on: December 13, 2021, 06:09:04 PM »
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  • I think if the Earth was actually flat, if you were in a crows nest on a ship and were approaching land, you wouldn’t necessarily see it before the people on the deck. If the Earth is actually curved then a crows nest would be a necessity, especially in olden times.
    I agree. What Trad said was If the starting angle is small, 1 degree for instance, even if there was nothing in the way, you couldn't see very far because the angle of resolution is too small. I find this statement bizarre since a person can see anything in front of him if there is nothing in the way, regardless of what angle he is looking at it from. I have also never heard of an "angle of resolution", so I hope he can explain what that means.

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    There is absolutely no reasonable explanation from FE theorists, that I’m aware of, for seeing a ship disappear on the horizon from the bottom up.

    Yes, their only answer seems to be to deny that it happens. It's a little hard to discuss something with people who deny common, universally observed phenomena.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #697 on: December 13, 2021, 06:13:02 PM »
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  • On a globe earth, at 5 meters above the water, you got a horizon. A circle around you, how far you can see. Objects behind the horizon disappear or partly disappear like the setting sun. If you climb up to 20 meters above the water, the radius of your horizon circle increases. You can still see the whole sun, or at least more of the disappearing setting sun.

    On a globe earth, the horizon should FALL as one ascends. You should have to look lower and lower to see the horizon. This is never observed, at whatever altitude man tries to go. Even airplanes -- the horizon is always at eye level. It never falls down (as it should) in a globe earth situation.

    Instead, you just see more and more, further and further away, since your perspective changes. 
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #698 on: December 13, 2021, 06:15:38 PM »
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    There is absolutely no reasonable explanation from FE theorists, that I’m aware of, for seeing a ship disappear on the horizon from the bottom up.
    The ship disappears because of the limits of the human eyeball, which is designed to see colors/shapes and has limitations on depth and distance.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #699 on: December 13, 2021, 06:16:47 PM »
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  • I don't understand what you are talking about. What is an angle of resolution? Shouldn't a person be able to see anything that is in front of him if there isn't an obstacle in the way? Why would it matter what angle he is looking at the object with in relation to the earth?
    If you lay on the ground, the angle between the ground and your eye is to small too see very far because your eye cannot discern things as they run together and become indistinguishable even at 100 feet away.  Open the angle by getting up on your feet and you can resolve things, the angle of resolution, for quite a distance, yet limited to about 3 miles.  Use a zoom camera to see further because the camera can resolve specific details much better than the eye.  Climb up on a mountain and see for miles and miles even without a camera because the angle between your eye and the ground is much larger and plenty is visible because the open angle allows a lot more light into the eye.   

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #700 on: December 13, 2021, 06:17:23 PM »
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  • The way ships on water can be "brought back" with a high zoom camera, and mountains/buildings in the distance staying STRAIGHT UP and VISIBLE LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD BE are two of the biggest arguments for Flat Earth that I've found so far.

    If a skyscraper were super tall and very far away, to your left OR right, and part of the "missing bottom" was below the horizon, you wouldn't just have half of the skyscraper sticking up straight perpendicular to the ground, as it was when it was 20 feet in front of you! If the explanation was "the earth's curvature made the bottom half disappear from view" then the other half would be leaning one direction or the other -- certainly "backwards" away from you, but also to the left/right unless the skyscraper was RIGHT IN FRONT of you.

    Get out a globe and test it. Think about it.

    I never thought of that, until I watched one of those videos. VERY convincing. In fact, despite many other unresolved questions I have about Flat Earth, I can't imagine a globe-friendly explanation for this obvious, common-sense, down-to-earth evidence that anyone can test/repeat.

    Remember, the number of scientists trying to figure out how Flat Earth works is almost non-existent. Just a few laymen (amateurs), really. So having an unresolved mystery, an unanswered question or 100 should NOT be a dealbreaker, logically speaking. It is logical to have many unanswered questions, given the resources, time, and personnel being thrown at this subject at present.

    However, if there are 1 or 2 valid proofs for Flat Earth, out of all the chaff, controlled opposition, intentional disinformation, etc. then the whole Globe Earth house of cards comes crashing down: it becomes a lie. Prove JUST ONE LIE, and the whole thing is a ball of lies that unravels. NASA wouldn't just lie about one thing. Once they are proven liars, they are not to be trusted, and it's LOGICAL TO CONCLUDE they have a whole web of lies to defend their whole "system" or "Big Lie". It is not necessary to come up with courtroom-worthy evidence or proof to debunk EACH of their lies.

    All we need to do is come up with compelling, concrete evidence that most laymen can understand (with common sense) that proves NASA is lying to us.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #701 on: December 13, 2021, 06:22:05 PM »
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  • On a globe earth, the horizon should FALL as one ascends. You should have to look lower and lower to see the horizon. This is never observed, at whatever altitude man tries to go. Even airplanes -- the horizon is always at eye level. It never falls down (as it should) in a globe earth situation.

    Instead, you just see more and more, further and further away, since your perspective changes.


    The angle "falls" (you look more downward), while the radius grows.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #702 on: December 13, 2021, 06:25:21 PM »
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  • The angle "falls" (you look more downward), while the radius grows.

    Said no human ever in real life. This does not match experience. Sorry.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #703 on: December 13, 2021, 06:27:05 PM »
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  • Said no human ever in real life. This does not match experience. Sorry.

    But you know it. You said it's common sense that you can see farther when you move upwards.

    How do you want to explain that on a flat earth, when you're higher than the waves? How can you see farther when you add 10 meters of height or 100 meters?
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #704 on: December 13, 2021, 06:27:35 PM »
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  • If a skyscraper were super tall and very far away, to your left OR right, and part of the "missing bottom" was below the horizon, you wouldn't just have half of the skyscraper sticking up straight perpendicular to the ground, as it was when it was 20 feet in front of you! If the explanation was "the earth's curvature made the bottom half disappear from view" then the other half would be leaning one direction or the other -- certainly "backwards" away from you, but also to the left/right unless the skyscraper was RIGHT IN FRONT of you.

    Get out a globe and test it. Think about it.

    I'm sure it does lean a little to the side from your point of view as it moves away, but not enough to be visible. You would probably have to get hundreds of miles from the skyscraper before it was leaning so differently from you that its lean would be visible, by which time it would long since have gone out of sight.