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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #570 on: December 10, 2021, 01:39:57 PM »
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    • To how many more pictures of globes do we need to be subjected?  Nobody denies that most people think it's a globe.

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    Offline DecemRationis

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #571 on: December 10, 2021, 01:40:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 10, 2021, 12:43:14 PM
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    You think all those maps and drawings Marion is posting are representations of that?
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    Offline Tradman

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #572 on: December 10, 2021, 02:09:55 PM »
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    Offline Dankward

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #573 on: December 11, 2021, 01:21:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 09, 2021, 10:10:27 PM
    I'm not sure how one would go about measuring this really.  You'd be basing it on a compass, and the moment you make the turn around one of the corners, you'd at that moment be making a 90-degree turn, when you shrink the perspective down.
    Yes, you could use a compass, star alignment, GPS or any other way of accurately positioning yourself. And no, you wouldn't necessarily make a 90-degree-turn. As long as you accurately spade three points on the surface, you'll be able to exactly measure the distances and the angles. There's no perspective, no limited human sight and brain involved in this calculation.

    Or to put it another way:
    If you walk 10,000 kilometers straight along the earth's surface, turn 90 degrees to your right, walk 10,000 kilometers more, turn right again and walk another 10,000 kilometers, you'll be back to where you started, having successfully made a triangle with three 90 degree angles. As any geometry student can tell you, this is impossible on a flat surface.

    It's also a bit funny if you're start talking about compasses, because the magnetic field doesn't work on a flat Earth - the second pole is missing.

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    Flat Earthers have done a lot of study regarding the flight routes in the Souther Hemisphere and they are in fact quite bizarre.  But if you flatten out the map to the Azimuthal Equidistant (aka Flat Earth) map, they suddenly make a great deal of sense.  I heard an interview from a professional pilot would would fly from Austrlia to the U.S. West Coast, and he could never figured out why it would always take him very close to Alaska ... until he saw a flat earth map.
    So they all make a great deal of sense - except for the ones that intentionally fly over and/or land on one of the countless bases in Antarctica? ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route

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    Oh, and another thing.  Have a look at the jet stream on a globe.

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    Now look at jetstream on a flat map.

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    Which one makes more sense?
    I don't get your argument here, this is basically just mapping movements of the jet stream onto different cartographical projections.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #574 on: December 11, 2021, 01:24:04 AM »
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    • Here's also a video of an Australian dude doing a tourist flight across the south polar circle - no ice wall there:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #575 on: December 11, 2021, 06:54:04 AM »
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    • St Peter's Basilica, Rome. Funerary monument to Pope Gregory XIII (A.D. 1572-85).




    Detail of the monument, depicting the Pope, a terrestrial globe, and theologians and scholars before the introduction of the new calendar.


    The followers of charlatans Rowbothham and Dubay don't even have a model describing the movements of sun, moon, and stars.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #576 on: December 11, 2021, 07:00:49 AM »
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    On the obverse, Pope Gregory XIII is depicted bare-headed, clothed in an ecclesiastical cope (piviale) decorated with an abstract design. We once again have GREGORIVS XIII PONT[IFEX] MAXIMUS, as with the Trajanic medal; however now with the year added (AN[NO] XIII = year 13) of Gregory’s reign. This corresponds to the year 13 May 1585-12 May 1586.

    On the reverse is the inscription NON EST QVI SE ABSCONDAT A CALORE EIVS, which is taken from Psalm 19:6. The phrase, from David’s description of the sun’s daily course, is to be translated “there is no one who could escape from its heat”. As for the medal’s image itself, we see the sun illuminating the Earth from below. The Earth is round, and it looks as if the sun is traveling around it.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #577 on: December 11, 2021, 03:13:44 PM »
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    • Flat earthers finally stopped to comment.

    Hopefully, they realized that they appear as enemies of the Church. There was a 1000 year Catholic empire from Christmas A.D. 800 until Christmas A.D. 1800, a Holy Roman Empire, wholly Catholic, where "latinos" proved the earth to be round. Navigators using their instruments to detect curvature. Jesuits were missionaries travelling around the globe.

    Popes decreeing bulls about territories on globe earth with arctic and antarctic poles.

    Flat earth tards try and want to sell the Church to you as a bunch of idiots, decreeing about territories defined by a huge circular magnetic south pole. That's ridiculous and lightyears distant from true history and facts.

    Other flat earth tards try and deny that St. Thomas Aquinas defended globe earth. They watch all sorts of tard videos on youtube, while the works of St. Thomas are available online even in English. (e.g  aquinas.cc)

    Bye bye, flat deniers of truth.


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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #578 on: December 11, 2021, 03:53:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 03:13:44 PM
    Flat earthers finally stopped to comment.

    Hopefully, they realized that they appear as enemies of the Church. There was a 1000 year Catholic empire from Christmas A.D. 800 until Christmas A.D. 1800, a Holy Roman Empire, wholly Catholic, where "latinos" proved the earth to be round. Navigators using their instruments to detect curvature. Jesuits were missionaries travelling around the globe.

    Popes decreeing bulls about territories on globe earth with arctic and antarctic poles.

    Flat earth tards try and want to sell the Church to you as a bunch of idiots, decreeing about territories defined by a huge circular magnetic south pole. That's ridiculous and lightyears distant from true history and facts.

    Other flat earth tards try and deny that St. Thomas Aquinas defended globe earth. They watch all sorts of tard videos on youtube, while the works of St. Thomas are available online even in English. (e.g  aquinas.cc)

    Bye bye, flat deniers of truth.


    I think your arguments are strong and I tend to agree with you, but it’s not necessary to call them “tards”, they are not stupid people. I think that what happens is that many of us traditionalists, who love the truth and hate the constant lies, start to become skeptical of almost everything.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #579 on: December 11, 2021, 03:56:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 11, 2021, 03:53:53 PM

    it’s not necessary to call them “tards”

    Got to wake them up.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #580 on: December 11, 2021, 03:58:29 PM »
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    • I guess St Augustine was a “tard” too.  He went back n forth between Plato’s flat earth/dome and the pagan sphere.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #581 on: December 11, 2021, 03:58:33 PM »
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #582 on: December 11, 2021, 03:59:07 PM »
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    • They even started to call me Latin and other names showing that images of Popes and Church hurt them. So it works.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #583 on: December 11, 2021, 04:02:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 03:13:44 PM
    Flat earthers finally stopped to comment.
    Uh, no we didn't, McMegaTard.:clown:
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #584 on: December 11, 2021, 04:06:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 03:13:44 PM
    Other flat earth tards try and deny that St. Thomas Aquinas defended globe earth...the works of St. Thomas are available online even in English.

    I possess many of them in both Latin and English, can read both languages, and that he wrote "...terra est rotunda..." proves absolutely nothing.

    You don't realize it, of course, but you are embarrassing yourself.
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