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Offline Tradman

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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #540 on: December 10, 2021, 09:29:29 AM »
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  • You are intellectually dishonest. You omit the fact, known to you, since you read this thread, that long before godless modern science globe-earthism was the overwhelmingly predominant world view.
    False.  It is a known fact that all ancient civilizations and many since, were flat earthers.  In fact, I have a Catholic bible with the flat earth pictured in it.  

    Do your research first.   

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    « Reply #541 on: December 10, 2021, 09:31:17 AM »
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  • False.  It is a known fact that all ancient civilizations and many since, were flat earthers.  In fact, I have a Catholic bible with the flat earth pictured in it. 

    Do your research first. 

    He's not intersted in "research" or else being intellectually open and honest about it.  His only argument is his buffoonish ridicule.  This guy doesn't even try to make a rational argument.  At least Stanley puts some stuff out there for consideration.  All this guy has is an array of "laughing" smilies.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #542 on: December 10, 2021, 09:33:38 AM »
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  • Dear Friends, please stop discrediting Christianity. The Earth is NOT Flat. It is round

    This proves you have not fully investigated flat earth but defend pagan NASA and the power broker globalists who control the media.  Not even one of the list above holds up to scrutiny, let alone can pass for true. 

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #543 on: December 10, 2021, 09:36:10 AM »
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  • He's not intersted in "research" or else being intellectually open and honest about it.  His only argument is his buffoonish ridicule.  This guy doesn't even try to make a rational argument.  At least Stanley puts some stuff out there for consideration.  All this guy has is an array of "laughing" smilies.
    Yea, the ridicule is in itself a sign of weakness and an argument devoid of content.   

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #544 on: December 10, 2021, 09:38:50 AM »
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  • Dear Friends, please stop discrediting Christianity.

    Oh, shut up already.  There's only so much of your sanctimonious arrogance that people can take.  You start with your fake insincere "Dear Friends" to make yourseslf appear charitable and devout, and then arrogantly dismiss everythiing as if you are the sole arbiter of truth and that anyone with a contrary opinion is ipso facto wrong.

    Even if some person has an incorrect view of science and physics, that does nothing to discredit Christianity.

    In fact, one of the most articulate Flat Earth advocates, Rob Skiba, pointed out that the world already ridicules Christianity.  We hold that human beings were created from the earth about 6,000 years ago, that the earth was created before the sun and the moon, etc.

    Truth is truth, and if it means being a "fool for Christ," then so be it.  St. Paul tried for a while to make Christianity appeal to the "intellectuals" but then realized it was a losing battle and was content just to preach Christ crucified, despite it being mocked by the world (to have a God who was humiliated on the Cross).


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #545 on: December 10, 2021, 09:42:11 AM »
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  • Yea, the ridicule is in itself a sign of weakness and an argument devoid of content. 

    Right, the emotional reaction is a sign of someone who's been brainwashed by the propaganda.  Only that can explain the vehemence of his response.  If there were a thread about the earth actually being on top of a turtle's back, I might have a look, dismiss it, and then move on.  Even then I wouldn't ridicule the person who believed that.  Even then I would have the respect to hear them out (if I wanted to spend the time on it), but I wouldn't jump on the thread and ridicule the guy.  These guy are the first to assert that this is not a matter of faith, but of science, and then promote the contrary as if it were some domatic believe and constant Catholic teaching.  JayneK is notorious from trying to separate out the science from Sacred Scripture but then hops on here claiming that globe earth (a matter of science) is constant Catholic "teaching.  On top of everything else, it's totally hypocritical.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #546 on: December 10, 2021, 10:02:49 AM »
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  • "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding the profane novelties of words, and oppositions of knowledge falsely so called."
    [1 Timothy 6:20]

    This has all proven, once again, that there isn't anything obvious about the shape of the earth. All it has shown is the demonic mockery that stems from these wicked worldly sciences proclaiming themselves to be the only arbiters of truth, above Almighty God Himself. Modern science (i.e. worldly wisdom) is nothing but a false idol.

    "Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God."
    [2 Thessalonians 2:4]

    There is nothing practical about pointing to some mathematical model and calling it truth when my own eyes tell me I live on a flat plane enclosed in a dome, and Scripture has been shown to support it.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #547 on: December 10, 2021, 10:25:16 AM »
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  • Of course you are discrediting Christianity, which is Perfect Truth, with your Flat-Earth rubbish, which is an Anti-Christian lie that has been promoted by Atheists. It may hurt you to hear that Truth, but sometimes the painful Truth is what sets you free, and must be preached as clearly as possible, as the Lord and the Apostles did it, to the Pharisees and the Jєωs.

    Answer the Ten Points in Logical Order, if you think Flat-Earthism is supposedly true. Here are points 10-6 for you again.

    1. "Number ten. All the other planets and stars we've ever seen are round, and there's no reason to indicate that the earth should be any different." How do you explain why all other planets that we observe are Round?

    "Planets" are not worlds, they are stars.  Videos of "real stars" are available on Youtube, and one was provided in this thread. Stars are lights, as scripture tells us, and the video proves it. Look if you care to really know what is Catholic.    

    2. "Number nine. Time zones. Day and night happen at different times at different places on earth. In fact it's always day somewhere and night somewhere else." Why do day and night alternate as they do in different places at the same time, if the Earth isn't Round?

    The sun is relatively local and lights approximately 1/2 the earth at any one given time. 

    3. "Number eight. The Coriolis Effect means freely moving things like cannonballs or hurricane winds are deflected to the right, but only if you're north of the equator. If you're south of the equator, they're deflected left." Why do flying objects like canon balls deflect differently to right or left depending on the Equator?

    The "coriolis effect" has long since been debunked.  Look it up with the intent to find the truth and maybe the lights will go on. 

    4. "Number seven. Triangles. If you walk 10,000 kilometers straight along the earth's surface, turn 90 degrees to your right, walk 10,000 kilometers more, turn right again and walk another 10,000 kilometers, you'll be back to where you started, having successfully made a triangle with three 90 degree angles. As any geometry student can tell you, this is impossible on a flat surface." How do you answer this Incontrovertible Mathematical Proof that Flat-Earthism is ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. Go back to High School if you think otherwise.

    Triangles and triangulation, prove earth is not a globe.  Lines coming off of angles are straight and do not curve. Theodolites, sextants, , gyroscopes, compasses, and light houses all operate by angles and/or line of sight. None of them operate on a globe.

    5. "Number six. The sun in general gets lower and lower in the sky as you travel away from the equator, and you can use this to directly measure the earth's curvature. Pick two places a few hundred miles directly north and south of each other, and at noon measure the shadows cast by a vertical meter stick at each location. You can use the shadow lengths to figure out the angle between the sticks, and once you add in how far apart they are you can calculate the earth's curvature." Yet another CLEAR SCIENTIFIC POINT YOU CAN'T ANSWER.

    This is patently false.  The sun gets lower in the sky because of perspective.  I've personally chased the sun while in a plane and it never actually lowers. And again, there are plenty of videos, (although many have been expunged from the internet) that show the sun, at certain angles, gets smaller and smaller and smaller as it retreats. Not possible on a globe unless the 93,000,000 miles increases by billions of miles in the time it takes for the sun to set.   


    Of course those promoting Flat-Earthism discredit Christianity. Good Job to Marion and others for answering the objections calmly and methodically, and showing that the Earth is Truly Round, as St. Thomas taught.

    Those promoting globalism have the same religion as the globalists who rake in billions via NASA to indoctrinate everyone to believe earth is a globe.  If you don't research with the intent to totally understand, you are subject to that indoctrination.  

    Flat earth is Catholic and is proof against evolution, million years old earth, relativism, global warming, aliens and the Big Bang,

    It is reported that Karl Marx even acknowledged his indebtedness to Copernicus, without whom Marx believed that his ideas would not have gained much acceptance..."It is thus a small step to total rejection of the Bible and the precepts of morality and law taught therein."






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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #548 on: December 10, 2021, 10:27:18 AM »
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  • Been watching a few FE people's reps on this site tank. I got 20 dislikes out of nowhere on non FE posts just after I made a globe skeptic post. My FE skeptic post in this thread didn't have such an effect. Some people's rep is even more dramatic than this in terms of downvotes. Really shows that globe advocates on here are trolling, rep doesn't matter to me but it is an excellent indicator of how much you tick someone off.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #549 on: December 10, 2021, 10:36:44 AM »
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  • Of course you are discrediting Christianity, which is Perfect Truth, with your Flat-Earth rubbish, which is an Anti-Christian lie that has been promoted by Atheists.

    Dear Friend, please stop lying.  It's been pointed out to you that several Church Fathers, including St. John Chrysostom, held that the earth was flat.  Perhaps he too was anti-Christian.

    Your lists of "proofs" is extremely weak, amateur hour when it comes to arguing against flat earth, and they're all easily discredited.

    Even if we were wrong about this matter (and I consider it highly unlikely that we are), everyone recognizes that not everything that any particular Christians believe redounds to the credit or discredit of Christianity, especially when it's a matter of science.

    Truth is truth, regardless of who believes it and who ridicules it.  Sacred Scripture teaches that God created man about 6,000 years ago ... and that is also mocked by the non-Christians.  I don't particularly care what they think.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #550 on: December 10, 2021, 10:38:36 AM »
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  • The sun getting smaller as it sets.  Not possible on a globe earth.


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    « Reply #551 on: December 10, 2021, 10:40:38 AM »
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  • Good Job to Marion and others for answering the objections calmly and methodically, ...

    You further discredit yourself as a liar.  There's nothing either "calm" nor "methodical" about Marion's responses.  There have been others on this thread who have behaved that way, but Marion has done nothing but ridicule and mock.  But he deserves praise from you because he backs your own canonical standard of truth ... your own mind.  With every post, you demonstrate that you have an extraordinarily inflated ego and opinion of yourself.

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    « Reply #552 on: December 10, 2021, 10:48:59 AM »
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  • The sun getting smaller as it sets.  Not possible on a globe earth.

    Indeed, the sun should not get any smaller if it were 93 million miles from the earth.  At those distances, a few hundred miles' difference translates to a tiny fraction of size change.  Now, the globers use some videos where it does not get much smaller, but Rob Skiba performed an excellent demonstration that when viewed through water, an object doesn't change size when moving away.  So in the event of high atmospheric moisture between you and the sun, it may not shrink very much.  But I have yet to see an explanation of situations where it DOES get smaller.  Instead, those videos are ignored by the globers.



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #553 on: December 10, 2021, 10:54:51 AM »
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  • Indeed, the sun should not get any smaller if it were 93 million miles from the earth.  At those distances, a few hundred miles' difference translates to a tiny fraction of size change.  Now, the globers use some videos where it does not get much smaller, but Rob Skiba performed an excellent demonstration that when viewed through water, an object doesn't change size when moving away.  So in the event of high atmospheric moisture between you and the sun, it may not shrink very much.  But I have yet to see an explanation of situations where it DOES get smaller.  Instead, those videos are ignored by the globers.



    Excellent video with even greater detail.  Rob Skiba made several on all topics fe.  His recent death is a great loss. 

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #554 on: December 10, 2021, 11:08:42 AM »
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  • The sun getting smaller as it sets.  Not possible on a globe earth.
    This, plus the fact that Antarctica is claimed to sit at the same angle as the Arctic during its summer season, yet has nothing even remotely close to a similar climate, works in favor of the FE model. Otherwise, the sun's light magically lack efficacy when directed at the Antarctic in summertime.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]