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Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2021, 07:12:37 PM »
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  • Flight paths and emergency landings give credence to the Antarctic ring.


    By Antarctic ring I mean the flat earth model with Antarctica as a ring around the world.

    Dave Weiss has some pretty good vids and Flat Earth Banjo has some good ones on the various emergency landings that make absolutely no sense on a globe earth.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #31 on: November 28, 2021, 07:16:58 PM »
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  • It's clear from your [Ladislaus] other posts that responding to you is a waste of time. You bring up all sorts of nonsense but do not link to anything specific that could be refuted. It's as if you're afraid your "arguments" would be shown to be the nonsense that they are.

    That's how it is. Lad is a conman, with no idea what he's talking about.



    Sun and Moon are round, but that is all that's known.  Not necessarily spherical ... could be convex or concave.


    You admit that you can't even explain the phases of the moon, which are known to every interested observer on earth.

    Why don't you simply shut up, instead of calling Galilei and the Church fools? You're the fool. You're an arrogant fool knowing nothing but pretending to know it all better!
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #32 on: November 28, 2021, 07:28:00 PM »
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  • Maybe the angels of the sun and the moon make them change shapes at the proper times.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #33 on: November 28, 2021, 08:36:04 PM »
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  • No they do not. That you even suggest it demonstrates again that you are scientifically illiterate.

    The velocity it takes for an object to escape into space is called, not surprisingly, escape velocity. If an object goes above escape velocity, it can escape into space.

    False.  I reject your gratuitous assertion.  Gravity, apart from being a myth, is not strong enough to prevent the vaccuum of space from effectively sucking the atmosphere off the planet.  You've got nothing but gratuitous assertions and insults.

    Your bogus fake explanation doesn't even match what most people who claim this is impossible assert.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #34 on: November 28, 2021, 08:37:35 PM »
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  • Very long video, but it debunks 90% of modern scientific assumptions.  It's exteremely well done.



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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #35 on: November 28, 2021, 09:00:39 PM »
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  • I heard someone in a trad cath group say this and an article from R.I. says this. He said those who believe flat Earth in face of the facts are liars.

    In general not liars, but as exemplified in this thread, at least some are dishonest. And not even realizing that their readers understand that they are.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #36 on: November 28, 2021, 09:18:57 PM »
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  • You think you "win" simply be calling it "garbage" and linking to one "debunking" video.  I've seen most of the debunking videos debunked.  There was one program on PBS that purported to prove earth's curvature using a helicopter, but it was exposed as fake footage when an identical flock of birds and identical wave and cloud patterns appeared, demonstrating that the helicopter was superimposed on the exact same background both when it was going down and when it was rising up.
    This is really interesting, have a link on it? I can see this since PBS is just a propaganda arm.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #37 on: November 28, 2021, 09:22:42 PM »
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  • False.  I reject your gratuitous assertion. 

    Quelle surprise, someone with a humanities education refuses to conform his proud, modernist mind to reality.

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    Gravity, apart from being a myth, is not strong enough to prevent the vaccuum of space from effectively sucking the atmosphere off the planet.

    Says you, a scientific illiterate, and you provide ZERO evidence.

    Please present one piece of actual evidence with enough specificity that it can be discussed and refuted.

    If you want to point to one place in the long video you posted, we can start there.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #38 on: November 28, 2021, 09:45:20 PM »
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  • That's how it is. Lad is a conman, with no idea what he's talking about.




    You admit that you can't even explain the phases of the moon, which are known to every interested observer on earth.

    Why don't you simply shut up, instead of calling Galilei and the Church fools? You're the fool. You're an arrogant fool knowing nothing but pretending to know it all better!
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    Hey man, what's your deal? Is everything okay over there? :(

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #39 on: November 28, 2021, 09:52:12 PM »
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    Hey man, what's your deal? Is everything okay over there? :(

    My deal is on page 1, Reply #4:

    They're ludicrous: "Galileo was wrong, the Church was wrong, Eric Dubai is right".

    They don't explain phases of the moon or shadows during eclipses, and don't even care to propose a concrete model, to avoid being debunked as wackos.


    Not my fault, in case you weren't aware.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #40 on: November 28, 2021, 10:25:18 PM »
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  • Says you, a scientific illiterate, and you provide ZERO evidence.

    And neither do you.  You just spew insults.


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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #41 on: November 28, 2021, 10:30:18 PM »
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  • And neither do you.  You just spew insults.

    Ladislaus flat-tard still evading like flat-tards do. And insulting Galilei and the Church. And the Holy Empire.
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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #42 on: November 28, 2021, 10:34:15 PM »
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  • And neither do you.

    On the contrary, I explained that specific point [why the atmosphere doesn't go away] to you correctly. I can provide further explanation if you ask. But if you choose to reject reality, that's your problem, not mine.

    That's how it is. Lad is a conman, with no idea what he's talking about.

    To be fair, I don't think Lad is a conman. I think he's unable to see the errors in some of the people he follows. Some of them are conmen; I think Dubay falls in that category.

    He is unable to see the errors because he doesn't appear to have any scientific training. That may not be his fault. He went to college for humanities, so he probably never studied any science beyond high school. And science education in the US is abysmal. But people who don't know a field should have at least some level of humility and defer to people who actually do know that field. That's one place where Lad could do better.

    So unfortunately, Lad didn't see the errors in various "arguments" he heard about FE. And that being a while ago, he probably can't actually remember any of these "arguments" with any detail. Notice that the most detailed "argument" so far is a reference to an unspecified PBS show that allegedly "faked" some images. Even if everything Lad said about that were true, it would only mean some people made a bad argument - it wouldn't prove the earth is flat.

    And so now he believes several false "arguments". If anyone were to refute an argument, he would just bring up another "argument", and another, and eventually circle back to the first one as if it had not been refuted.

    And so, I'm willing to discuss one argument. ONE. If Lad can pick one.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #43 on: November 28, 2021, 10:38:35 PM »
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  • You see, when people start hurling insults and getting iritate that there's more than a simple intellectual conviction involved.  They have some serious emotional attachment to the claims of modern science, and that's why they're stuck in whatever paradigm they've been brainwashed into.  If you open your mind and seek the truth, and are simply seeking truth, you don't react this way.  You simply put forth your argument.

    As irate and hostile as you've gotten, you'd think that I had just blasphemed Our Lady or something rather than question the shape of the earth.

    Watch that long video and you'll see how much assumption and theory there is in science.  Very few of their conclusions are certain, and few of them were established with the scientific method.  It's assumption layered on theory layered on assumption.  Tesla described it as a mathematical fantasy land detached from reality.  In fact, most of modern science/physics is driven by ideology ... an anti-God ideology.  They were desperate to discredit the implications of the Michelson-Morley experiment which showed the earth to be motionless, and so they invented first the Lorenz contraction and then relativity to explain it all away.  Just look at who's behind Einstein and relativity and you'll know the truth.

    In addition, Airy's "Failure" conclusively proved that the earth is motionless and that the stars move in relation to the earth.

    But one could go on for hours.

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    Re: Is refusing to accept an "obvious fact" a sin of lying?
    « Reply #44 on: November 28, 2021, 10:40:46 PM »
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  • On the contrary, I explained that specific point [why the atmosphere doesn't go away] to you correctly.

    You did nothing of the sort, just threw the term "escape velocity" out there, a mathematical construct based on the assumption that gravity is a real thing, and which no scientific writing I've ever seen used to explain why the atmosphere doesn't leave the earth.  They use a combination of air pressure and gravity.  Your throwing out the term "escape velocity" is not evidence by any stretch.  If you consider that evidence, that discredits you as being learned in science, despite your pretensions.