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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2024, 12:34:54 PM »
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  • Name a famous Catholic person who attends the Traditional Latin Mass outside the Conciliar Church.  Other than Mel Gibson.

    This is why most people do not even know how to be Catholic. 

    What should we do with people like this who the Conciliar Church has set up to fail in the first place? Fail by not truly finding Catholicism or being Catholic.


    There's of course Archbishop Vigano ... with whom Donald and Melania should be (and are undoubtedly) well acquainted.

    Then you have some Motarians at least:

    Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan, Judge Napolitano

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #31 on: October 04, 2024, 12:37:30 PM »
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  • Natural law is enough to tell a sane person, Catholic or not, how messed up abortion is. One can only blame so much on the conciliarists.

    Indeed, the natural law suffices, but then also, the degree to which Melania may or may not be culpable in the internal forum is entirely up to God.  We can only judge by the externals (as St. Robert Bellarmine teaches), and she's a manifest heretic who has forfeited membership in the Church.

    Despite Jorge's bloviations to muddy up the question, every Catholic of good will and who's taken even the slightest bit of interest to find out Church teaching on the matter will find that the Catholic Church has always unmistakably taught that abortion is evil ... even through the "St." Wojtyla era.  And even Jorge will state as much ... in principle ... while acting as if it weren't true.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #32 on: October 04, 2024, 12:43:51 PM »
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  • Someone decided this timing was a good idea. Wonder why.

    Indeed, there's no doubt that the timing of this is deliberate.  Trump (and his campaign) probably believe that they have the conservative base "in the bag" and are now appealing to those "moderates" who are "frightened" of Trump's opposition to abortion.  This is a way to soften that, at least indirectly.  DJ Trump has gone out of his way to tell women that their "reproductive rights" will be safe under him, to say he'll fund IVF with tax dollars, to backtrack and allow numerous "exceptions" to abortion, to assert that he won't seek a federal ban on abortions.  Now, with Melania, those on the right can say, "well, it's not entirely relevant what she thinks and it won't change my mind about voting for Trump, since he's his own man on the issue", while holding out hope to moderates that, "well, if he's married to a pro-abortion woman, evidently he doesn't find the disagreement a grave irreconcilable matter of principle, and she might exert a softening/moderating influence on him".

    They're also hoping that most people will buy the "lesser evil" approach to voting so the conseratives will vote for him, despite this, even if holding their proverbial noses ... whereas he's courting the moderates/independents.  I don't think he's counting on the fact that his 2016 (and even 2020) base may have eroded due to the fact that he did not keep his campaign promises, promoted/pushed the jab, and is now even softening on abortion.

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #33 on: October 04, 2024, 02:26:33 PM »
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  • There's of course Archbishop Vigano ... with whom Donald and Melania should be (and are undoubtedly) well acquainted.

    Then you have some Motarians at least:

    Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan, Judge Napolitano
    I am not familiar with the term Motarians.  What does it mean?  

    Are we even sure what Archbishop Vigano is doing right now, he speaks against Pope Francis, but he isn't leaning toward any of the other traditional groups out there?  He is basically just starting his own movement without any reference to the ones that are already out there. I tried to get an answer in regard to his consecration, because we were looking to see about his seminary, but I have yet to get a response.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #34 on: October 04, 2024, 02:39:56 PM »
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  • I am not familiar with the term Motarians.  What does it mean? 

    That's an adjective derived from the term Motu in Motu Proprio, a reference to the docuмent released by Benedict XVI Ratzinger to (purportedly) liberate the Tridentine Mass.  So I use the term as shorthand for those who attend the Tridentine Latin Mass, but only those permitted by the Conciliar Church (the so-called Diocesan "Motu" Masses, FSSP, ICK, etc.).  This displaces an earlier term sometimes used by non-Conciliar-affiliated Traditional Catholics, Indulterers, which refers to the docuмent by John Paul II which allowed bishops to permit the Tridentine Mass (before Benedict XVI), and also was a pejorative play on words for "adulterers".  This really was just a sleight of hand in that JP2 said the Tridentine Mass was forbidden unless permitted, whereas Ratzinger said it was permitted unless forbidden ... both resulting in the same thing for all intents and purposes, where permission to say it was subject to the bishop ... with the sole exception that under Ratzinger's Motu priests could offer the Tridentine Mass privately without permission.  Now, again, due to the priest shortage in the Conciliar Church, it was relatively rare for priests to be able to offer Mass privately, and many of the Modernists don't even consider it licit (or even valid) for a priest to offer Mass alone (without the "community" being present and participating, since, after all, he's merely a presider, who then has no role without anyone to preside over).

    So, the one benefit of Ratzinger's Motu was that when +Vigano went into hiding after exposing Bergoglio's coverup of the predators (most notably, McCarrick), he took advantage of the Motu to begin offering the Tridentine Mass, and that Mass, being the greatest teacher of the faith, converted him to Traditional Catholicism (as I had initially speculated and +Vigano himself later confirmed).


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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #35 on: October 04, 2024, 02:44:54 PM »
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  • Are we even sure what Archbishop Vigano is doing right now, he speaks against Pope Francis, but he isn't leaning toward any of the other traditional groups out there?  He is basically just starting his own movement without any reference to the ones that are already out there. I tried to get an answer in regard to his consecration, because we were looking to see about his seminary, but I have yet to get a response.

    Well, he does still have some connections with the Resistance, though some/many of the latter are none too happy about his Bergoglian sedevacantism.  In any case, the Resistance priests aren't really closely connected anyway, not in any kind of formal organization, and work independently, the greatest active cooperation being when a priest needs the services of a bishop ... of which +Vigano has no need, already being a bishop.  Whom are you trying to contact regarding the seminary/consecration ... since the problem +Vigano has (due to his fame and notoriety) is that he's absolutely besieged by people trying to contact him for one reason or another?  Is your son even fluent enough in Italian where it would make that seminary viable for him?

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #36 on: October 04, 2024, 03:53:56 PM »
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  • Well, he does still have some connections with the Resistance, though some/many of the latter are none too happy about his Bergoglian sedevacantism.  In any case, the Resistance priests aren't really closely connected anyway, not in any kind of formal organization, and work independently, the greatest active cooperation being when a priest needs the services of a bishop ... of which +Vigano has no need, already being a bishop.  Whom are you trying to contact regarding the seminary/consecration ... since the problem +Vigano has (due to his fame and notoriety) is that he's absolutely besieged by people trying to contact him for one reason or another?  Is your son even fluent enough in Italian where it would make that seminary viable for him?
    I contacted the United States Exsurge Domine group about what type of volunteers they needed. They then asked questions.  We went to our priest. He said they need to give info on a conditional consecration before we proceed further with them, so I explained why I was inquiring and asked the question.  I just took the chance, I didn't really expect an answer.  My point is that I didn't just randomly approach the Archbishop directly.

    My son figured if it was the right path he would learn Italian, an Italian person volunteered to privately tutor him.  He won't make any choice without the stamp of his priests approval, so here we are waiting, as a potential priest learns to be worldly and maybe gives up because there is too much politics in the current Catholic circles.

    I don't believe that normally God trumps mans decisions.  I thought it was a try the seminary and then figure out your vocation.  Now it is just hold this political belief and we will let you try.  Sorry Melancholic spiral.

    The weight of all the evil in the world is getting the best of me these days.

    Carry on.

    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #37 on: October 05, 2024, 10:54:41 AM »
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  • I contacted the United States Exsurge Domine group about what type of volunteers they needed.

    Never heard of them.


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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #38 on: October 05, 2024, 11:08:40 AM »
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  • Never heard of them.
    It's one of the links on the Exsurge Domine to make donations in the US.  There mailing address is in Omaha.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #39 on: October 05, 2024, 11:10:34 AM »
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  • Never heard of them.
    "Exsurge Domine" is the group/site started by Archbishop Vigano.

    https://exsurgedomine.it/chi-siamo/

    "Exsurge Domine USA" is the US support group for Vigano:

    "What is the link between the Association of Exsurge Domine founded by Archbishop Viganò and Exsurge Domine USA?

    Exsurge Domine USA is an affiliate of the parent association, made up of Lay Faithful Catholics who desire to aid His Excellency in preserving the traditional faith and supporting persecuted priests and religious in the United States, as well as world wide. All operations are under the leadership of His Grace, Carlo Maria Viganò"

    https://exsurgedomineusa.org/
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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #40 on: October 05, 2024, 11:13:04 AM »
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  • Right, I heard of Exsurge Domine, but not this "US Support Group".  What exactly are they supporting other than collecting funds and publishing an English version of the website?

    They define themselves as people who "desire to support" +Vigano ... rather than anything concrete.


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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #41 on: October 05, 2024, 11:31:43 AM »
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  • Right, I heard of Exsurge Domine, but not this "US Support Group".  What exactly are they supporting other than collecting funds and publishing an English version of the website?

    They define themselves as people who "desire to support" +Vigano ... rather than anything concrete.
    They are looking for volunteers and it sounds like if you are not getting sacraments they try to provide help.  They had at least one Priest and a Sister, who at the time of my email were helping in Italy and were due back and would contact me, but like I said when I mentioned the conditional consecration, all communication stopped.

    It is frustrating, because we don't need another stand alone group to add more politics to the Crisis.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #42 on: October 05, 2024, 06:05:35 PM »
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  • I expect Melania to finally get her first Vogue cover now

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #43 on: October 05, 2024, 10:34:44 PM »
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  • I expect Melania to finally get her first Vogue cover now
    I miss when First Ladies (and VPs for that matter) shut up and stayed in the background. 
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed

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    Re: Is Melania Trump Catholic?
    « Reply #44 on: October 06, 2024, 12:19:04 AM »
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  • Her opinion clearly comes directly from mainstream media. Nothing she says here is true. I wonder how many more people would be pro-life if they were given the truth rather than lies.