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Offline Truth is Eternal

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Is it Wrong to Hate Life Severely at Certain Times?
« on: March 11, 2012, 06:28:47 PM »
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  • I have a factory Job where the environment and work culture keeps getting worse by the day. It seems nothing around there can ever be done right as the management jumps between making quality,   quantity and safety the main focus of the job depending on which is suffering at the time.

    The company I work for claims to be a family oriented company even though I have to be open to work  every other Sunday if they need the work. I often wish I had a job that fits my personality where I don't have to work any Sundays and where I have the time to get to mass during the week.

    I often have to go to confession because of my anger. I also pray and ask  God what his will for my life is and if there is a job out there that better fits me as I am going crazy where I am now. I also feel spiritually drained to go to work and see so many people who appear to be on the road to Hell and the world only gets more depraved as time goes by.

    How is God working through us Traditional Catholics during these increasingly perilous, depraved and mostly spiritually dead times?
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    « Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 06:31:51 PM »
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  • It doesn't answer your concerns completely, but perhaps this little excerpt may help.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Trials-of-the-Workman

    In it, Fr. Lascance explains how to turn your 'thorns' (trials at work) into 'roses', by making it meritorious through offering your trials to Christ. After reading this little passage, and meditating on it, its helped me quite a bit in my approach to work.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 06:36:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    It doesn't answer your concerns completely, but perhaps this little excerpt may help.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Trials-of-the-Workman

    In it, Fr. Lascance explains how to turn your 'thorns' (trials at work) into 'roses', by making it meritorious through offering your trials to Christ. After reading this little passage, and meditating on it, its helped me quite a bit in my approach to work.


    Thanks!  :smile:
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    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 06:41:05 PM »
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    I have a factory Job where the environment and work culture keeps getting worse by the day. It seems nothing around there can ever be done right as the management jumps between making quality,   quantity and safety the main focus of the job depending on which is suffering at the time.

    The company I work for claims to be a family oriented company even though I have to be open to work  every other Sunday if they need the work. I often wish I had a job that fits my personality where I don't have to work any Sundays and where I have the time to get to mass during the week.

    I often have to go to confession because of my anger. I also pray and ask  God what his will for my life is and if there is a job out there that better fits me as I am going crazy where I am now. I also feel spiritually drained to go to work and see so many people who appear to be on the road to Hell and the world only gets more depraved as time goes by.

    How is God working through us Traditional Catholics during these increasingly perilous, depraved and mostly spiritually dead times?


    Take heart! You shall make it!

    In the meantime, I recommend to you the following gold:

    Finding God's Will for You

    &

    http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/4092/rules-for-discerning-spirits

    & by the great St. Louis de Montfort:

    http://www.montfort.org.uk/Writings/Cross.html

    We traditional Catholics can continue to exercise Christian virtue, pray, and worship God in the way which gives the glory due to Him (only the traditional Mass).

    Also, remember:

    “The life of man upon earth is a warfare.”
    -Job 7:1

    “Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour. “

    -1 Pt. 5:8

    “You are of God, little children, and have overcome him. Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

    -1 Jn. 4:4

    “Be subject therefore to God, but resist the devil, and he will fly from you. [8] Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners: and purify your hearts, ye double minded. [9] Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned into mourning, and your joy into sorrow. [10] Be humbled in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.”

    -James  4: 7-10

    “A man who governs his passions is master of the world. We must either rule them, or be ruled by them.”

    -St. Dominic

    “Labour as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. [4] No man, being a soldier to God, entangleth himself with secular businesses; that he may please him to whom he hath engaged himself. [5] For he also that striveth for the mastery, is not crowned, except he strive lawfully.”

    -2 Timothy 2:3-5

    “Finally, brethren, be strengthened in the Lord, and in the might of his power. [11] Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil. [12] For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places. [13] Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of justice, [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace: [16] In all things taking the shield of faith, wherewith you may be able to extinguish all the fiery darts of the most wicked one. [17] And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God). [18] By all prayer and supplication praying at all times in the spirit; and in the same watching with all instance and supplication for all the saints.”

    -Ephesians 6:10-18

    All of which reminds me that you should also absorb this:

    The Spiritual Combat
     

    Age, thou art shamed.*
    O shame, where is thy blush?**

    -Shakespeare, Julius Caesar,* Hamlet**

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    « Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 06:46:06 PM »
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  • In The True Meaning of the Lord of Heaven, Matteo Ricci mentions two ancient Western philosophers who, looking at the vanity of the world and its votaries, each responded in a different way - one laughed at man, the other cried for him.

    The prominent 20th century Catholic convert, "The Chinese Chesterton", John Wu similarly wrote in his memoirs, Beyond East and West, that a ѕυιcιdє takes life too seriously.

    You may consider taking life a bit less seriously. Your anger and frustration often shows through in your posts.

    You'll find that refraining from entangling yourself in traditionalist debates, etc will do much good for reducing stress. You've found the truth. Leave it at that.

    If you can afford it, spend a few dollars and buy a copy of John Wu's translation of the Tao Te Ching on Amazon (remembering, of course, to go to CathInfo). It has helped me immensely to find peace and refocus my energy on the interior life rather than wasting time being argumentative and desiring to gain more knowledge.







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    « Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 01:26:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    In The True Meaning of the Lord of Heaven, Matteo Ricci mentions two ancient Western philosophers who, looking at the vanity of the world and its votaries, each responded in a different way - one laughed at man, the other cried for him.

    The prominent 20th century Catholic convert, "The Chinese Chesterton", John Wu similarly wrote in his memoirs, Beyond East and West, that a ѕυιcιdє takes life too seriously.

    You may consider taking life a bit less seriously. Your anger and frustration often shows through in your posts.

    You'll find that refraining from entangling yourself in traditionalist debates, etc will do much good for reducing stress. You've found the truth. Leave it at that.

    If you can afford it, spend a few dollars and buy a copy of John Wu's translation of the Tao Te Ching on Amazon (remembering, of course, to go to CathInfo). It has helped me immensely to find peace and refocus my energy on the interior life rather than wasting time being argumentative and desiring to gain more knowledge.


    This sounds like good advice, and works for me -- when I remember to apply it.

    Anger is difficult to break free from once it's got you in its talons. But if you can be aware enough to sense when it's approaching there are things you can do to prevent it from taking over.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 01:21:42 AM »
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  • One thing is for sure, Americans work too much.  Just look at labor statistics during the 20th Century.  Basically, without war time mobilization (WWII) and Feminism, the workforce (full time workers) consisted of about 25% of the population, after those changes, it consisted of about 50% of the population.  Also, lots of cutbacks on staffing and reductions in work breaks and lunch breaks.  Remember the phrase, "lunch hour?"  So, we're stressed out and that makes us weak.  

    Most households really do need an adult staying home all the time and taking care of everybody, but a lot of them don't have that anymore.  And workers really do need time throughout the day to take care of themselves, but they don't get that time anymore.

    I guess that's why so many people are focused on "reducing stress."  In the end, I think it really can mean the difference between saving your soul and losing it.  






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    « Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 01:40:54 AM »
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  • Marcelino said:
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    One thing is for sure, Americans work too much.


    It is a punishment from God, is one guess.  People made Mammon into their God, rejecting the true God, and God said "Okay, go ahead, have it."  Now they are stuck lugging rocks for pharaoh, for ever diminishing rewards, and know no other way.  In fifty years, we have gone from a society where people owned their own homes with ONE person working, to a society where the man and wife both have full-time jobs and yet they still have a huge loan taken out on "their" house which really belongs to the bank.  

    Factor into this now that the jobs are disappearing, like in a game of musical chairs, and you will see that whatever few families are left are going to implode.

    The devil appreciates all this because when people are stressed, they have less time to pray; or even to seek answers, if they're not religious.  They can get through an entire life without ever asking why they're here.  The workload puts a toll on the family and can break it up.  Not having enough money will also break it up, because of the fantasies people have regarding how much they think they need.

    I have written elsewhere about the Protestant work ethic.  The virtue of hard work was exaggerated to the point where it became all about Mammon.  

    Catholic societies were not like this.  Family time, especially Sunday, was sacrosanct.  Everything was regulated; both time for work and time for family and prayer.  I bet people were even more productive then, because they didn't become burnt-out shells at 30 as is happening today.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2011/11/11/why-millennial-women-are-burning-out-at-work-by-30/

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    « Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 07:33:32 AM »
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    Catholic societies were not like this.  Family time, especially Sunday, was sacrosanct.  Everything was regulated; both time for work and time for family and prayer.  



    This is true. The devil has blurred the proper order and has influenced man to create an artificial environment; a system with it's own vain 'rules' and 'obligations' to which false redemptory qualities are ascribed. Modern man is deceived into thinking, whether explicitly or implicitly, that redemption exists in accuмulating riches on earth by exalting work above it's legitimate place, so that they can keep up with the excessive luxuries that are collectively, though falsely being presented as necessary, luxuries which are most often drenched in sin as well. It is the same false earthly messianism which those desired who rejected Our Saviour.

    It is true that work is a necessary part of our lives, but it is not the ultimate end of our earthly journey. Our ultimate end is to see God in Heaven. We can learn much from the monastic life to remedy the excesses that are being exploited in the modern societies, and to restore order in our lives. Monks work daily too, but there is an ocean of difference between how they approach work in contrast with how modern man feverishly worships it.


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    « Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 09:00:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2011/11/11/why-millennial-women-are-burning-out-at-work-by-30/



    Interesting article.  I read the follow up article by same author, who says her initial one got a big spike in views and responses.  Alarmingly, but not surprisingly, these ladies are turning to yoga, pills, therapy and psychics to deal with the spiritual wreckage of being modern feminists.  

    It breaks my heart to think that many of these over-achievers might have become nuns; Brides of Christ working hard for the salvation of souls, forming Catholic children, or serving the sick and dying.  Labor for the the love of God the Father.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 06:39:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Truth is Eternal

    How is God working through us Traditional Catholics during these increasingly perilous, depraved and mostly spiritually dead times?


    I don't know, but I think it is definitely about survival.  The big picture seems to me to be one where a few people at the top have willingly brought this on and the overwhelming majority are brought along through no real choice of their own and kind of turned into "modernist zombies."  It's like the way the popes viewed Jєωs who'd been raised with The тαℓмυd from birth:  if I understand it correctly, they hadn't gotten a fair chance at the truth, so the church had a duty to give it to them, which it often did and that often resulted in massive conversions, which were for the most part sincere.  I don't see how that isn't the case today.  I don't think most folks have gotten a real chance to see and experience the truth;  mostly they are lied to.  

    For folks like you (found good tradition, in a sea of modernism and dead ends), they are probably very lucky/blessed to have what they have and should probably pity others and strive for mercy in their judgments of them. Otherwise, their own resentments may harm them.