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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2020, 06:08:28 PM »
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    Are those just theories of yours or do you have daughters and practice your theory with them?
    Yes, of course, this is my opinion. ...My personal/family life is irrelevant.


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    But I think drinking in mixed company should be considered inappropriate for either gender.

    Taking this comment without any distinctions, this means no one should drink at weddings.  Does this make sense?  No.
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    Further, it would mean no drinking at family Christmas dinners, nor family gatherings, nor graduation parties, etc.  Sounds an awful lot like Protestantism to me.  
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    I know this wasn’t Ladislaus’ intent, but it APPEARS that it is LastTrad’s argument.  Correct me if I’m wrong. 


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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #31 on: January 22, 2020, 06:30:16 PM »
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  • Yes, of course, this is my opinion. ...My personal/family life is irrelevant.
    I would never give an opinion on how someone should live and behave that is not something that I would practice myself and more importantly my opinions are based on real life personal experience. THAT is why I ask if you have used your teachings with your daughters.  What personal information is there to reveal in my question? I do not see any, since no one here knows who you are, there is nothing personal.
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #32 on: January 22, 2020, 06:33:40 PM »
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  • Taking this comment without any distinctions, this means no one should drink at weddings.  Does this make sense?  No.
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    Further, it would mean no drinking at family Christmas dinners, nor family gatherings, nor graduation parties, etc.  Sounds an awful lot like Protestantism to me.  
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    I know this wasn’t Ladislaus’ intent, but it APPEARS that it is LastTrad’s argument.  Correct me if I’m wrong.
    You are wrong. You could save yourself a lot of time by posting something I actually said like this now:


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    I would not let my daughter drink in mixed company, where there are unrelated men , not at weddings, nor graduation parties, etc. (Now, family Christmas or Thanksgiving family reunions where everyone is a relative and other people who are like uncles & aunts to them are fine. Still, the drinks would just be wine with the meal). Also, I would not let my daughters go to parties where it is all girls drinking either (I known MANY lesbians that look just like any sweet young girl next door, which makes them the same as men).  

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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #33 on: January 22, 2020, 06:45:59 PM »
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  •  However, once the vices of the upper-classes make their way those of low-to-middling intelligence, they cease being only venial and reveal sin in all its ugliness.  
    Please explain.  It reads as if the upper-classes are more intelligent
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #34 on: January 22, 2020, 06:51:36 PM »
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  • I would never give an opinion on how someone should live and behave that is not something that I would practice myself and more importantly my opinions are based on real life personal experience. THAT is why I ask if you have used your teachings with your daughters.  What personal information is there to reveal in my question? I do not see any, since no one here knows who you are, there is nothing personal.
    Wow, two down thumbs that quick for me saying that "I would never give an opinion on how someone should live and behave that is not something that I would practice myself and more importantly my opinions are based on real life personal experience"??

    The two people who down thumbed it, must be coming here and posting advise on how others should live and behave that is not something that they practice themselves nor based on any real life personal experience.
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #35 on: January 22, 2020, 07:03:18 PM »
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  • Wow, two down thumbs that quick for me saying that "I would never give an opinion on how someone should live and behave that is not something that I would practice myself and more importantly my opinions are based on real life personal experience"??

    The two people who down thumbed it, must be coming here and posting advise on how others should live and behave that is not something that they practice themselves nor based on any real life personal experience.
    And they say women are irrational! :facepalm:
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #36 on: January 22, 2020, 07:05:59 PM »
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  • Traditionalists?  Looks like traditionalists in "name only".  As I get older, and around those who claim to be traditionalists, I find this to be the case, not always a traditionalist.

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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #37 on: January 22, 2020, 07:20:30 PM »
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  • I don’t think drinking in mixed company is wrong, if it’s a public event - say a wedding or some other party, where there are chaperones and such.  I also don’t think that an increase in flirtation is wrong, because flirtations aren’t sinful necessarily (obviously taking about single people here).
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    Drinking requires one to be on-guard for their own personal defects, whether it’s done alone or socially, whether with same sex or opposite.  I don’t think there’s any hard rules other than avoid proximate occasions of sin, which applies when drinking or not.  As the Greeks said “know thyself”.  A lot of this is based on the person.
    Since you have not answered whether these are just theories of yours or if you actually have daughters that you practiced this on. I have to assume that you do not have daughters.

    So for the benefit of those with daughters, if they flashed me back to when I was 25 to 45 you have your adversary, a single, successful, athletic, handsome man. Here is how I would approach the "protection plan" above:

    Chaperones?  (I think he just said that because I had a thread on CI on chaperones.) There is no such thing, unless you mean the father and or mother were there with her, keeping a close eye on her. For if you mean the parents of the girl giving the party or a girl friend as a chaperone, they are not going to watch much of anything. They are not going to see how much your daughter is drinking and if they notice that I an talking to her, they will think it is great, since I they thinks I am "a single, successful, handsome and athletic man", a great catch.

    (For Pax Vobis - By the way, a real father who knows the world and men, would never say that "I don’t think that an increase in flirtation is wrong, because flirtations aren’t sinful necessarily (obviously taking about single people here)". Flirting always leads to bad consequences. A smart young man will stretch that flirting by not responding in the least till the flirt has put herself in a position of no return. )

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    Drinking requires one to be on-guard for their own personal defects, whether it’s done alone or socially, whether with same sex or opposite.  I don’t think there’s any hard rules other than avoid proximate occasions of sin, which applies when drinking or not.  As the Greeks said “know thyself”.  A lot of this is based on the person.

    The book "Spiritual Combat" written in like 1600, says that for all sins one should learn to defeat them by actual practice, like if one has a bad temper, they should practice being patience around the sources that set them off. They use the same technique for all sins, EXCEPT ONE, sins of the flesh, where they say to run away from them without any hesitation! Your advice goes against the advice in Spiritual Combat about sins of the flesh. Your advice does not work because of man's fallen nature.
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #38 on: January 22, 2020, 07:35:41 PM »
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  • And they say women are irrational! :facepalm:
    I do not understand what you mean. Can you please explain what you mean by your posting?
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #39 on: January 22, 2020, 08:13:33 PM »
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  • Surely having a drink or maybe two at a social gathering is not a bad thing for a lady. I'll have a drink every once in awhile at a social gathering, but very often I avoid it for fear of a headache. We do have wine at the dinner table frequently because we make our own wine. 

    Taking shots, drinking games, competitive drinking, etc all lack proper decorum for one calling herself a lady, imo. 

    One other thing that has never set right with me, or my husband, is women smoking, even recreationally or socially. I always feel an immediate sense of repulsion when I see it. Am I out of line there?
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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #40 on: January 22, 2020, 08:37:19 PM »
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  • Is it really proper for ladies to drink in public, outside of a little wine with the meal? Is it lady like to get inebriated in mixed company?
    It is neither ladylike nor manly to become inebriated, ever.  


    Turn on the evening news ANY given night and see all the problems and destruction caused by alcohol consumption.  

    God was right when he made inebriation a sin.


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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #41 on: January 22, 2020, 10:45:57 PM »
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  • My comments regarding flirtation are related to simple social interactions between singles.  Of course, flirting can be dangerous but it’s often an innocent, natural way of showing romantic interest. If flirting didn’t exist, then neither would marriage.  Just because it can be corrupted doesn’t mean it’s wrong.  

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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #42 on: January 22, 2020, 10:49:47 PM »
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    I would never give an opinion on how someone should live and behave that is not something that I would practice myself 
    Uhh...priests give great marriage advice all the time.  Not all good advice is based on personal experience. 

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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #43 on: January 22, 2020, 11:00:12 PM »
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    I would not let my daughter drink in mixed company, where there are unrelated men , not at weddings, nor graduation parties, etc. 
    Presuming we're taking about you forbidding a 21 yr old (legal drinking age) woman from having a few beers at a wedding, I think that is pretty strict. I would hope there is not a danger of rebellion against your rules.  That would depend on the personality of your daughters, I guess. 
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    Off topic question:  So your family goes to a wedding and your 21 and 18 yr old (hypothetical) daughters attend and don’t drink. Are they allowed to socialize with other young women/men?  To what extent?  This is an honest question, as your background is much different from mine, so I’d like your view.  Dating is certainly a trickier situation to come up with rules, than drinking, in my opinion.  

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    Re: Is it Proper for Ladies to Drink Liquor?
    « Reply #44 on: January 22, 2020, 11:09:48 PM »
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  • I do not understand what you mean. Can you please explain what you mean by your posting?
    I mean that your comments to Pax are quite irrational. Besides I am often tempted to thumb down those who bemoan downthumbs. You also assume that the two downthumbers are giving advice. Well, at least one of us is not.
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