Author Topic: Is Bullying a Good Thing? (Read 6715 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **on:** November 27, 2013, 06:30:24 PM »

You know a lot of hype has been made about bullying but in my opinion bullying is a good thing. It teaches the young boy to be strong and brutal against his foes, it teaches manly strength, it teaches to be strong in character and personality, etc.

I remember one time I told my grandfather in elementary school how I was being picked on and was on the verge of tears, he immediately used his low monotone and said, "Stop your crying and be a man!" Looking back this was the right thing to say as a man, since a man is to be tough and suck it up.

songbird · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2013, 06:50:26 PM »

Well, bullying is a sin. Your Dad was trying to bring about a virtue in you. To be humble, walk away from it and ignore it and etc.

Dolores · « **Reply #2 on:** November 27, 2013, 06:54:48 PM »

You're kidding right? A bully picks on those who are weaker than him for no reason other than to be mean. There is nothing "manly" about that; it is actually quite cowardly. It doesn't teach strength, justice, or anything resembling good character.

Now, standing up to a bully, that is indeed manly. It teaches the proper use of strength and bravery, and furthers justice.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 27, 2013, 07:10:00 PM »

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You're kidding right? A bully picks on those who are weaker than him for no reason other than to be mean. There is nothing "manly" about that; it is actually quite cowardly. It doesn't teach strength, justice, or anything resembling good character.

Now, standing up to a bully, that is indeed manly. It teaches the proper use of strength and bravery, and furthers justice.

It depends on what you mean by "manly." For instance to be "manly" today is to be cowardly and intellectual and obsessed with thoughts and ideas while being manly is to be strong and bold against your opponents.

Right-wing ideology is extremely intolerant both politically and religiously on being brutal against those who are "not like us."

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2013, 07:11:21 PM »

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Well, bullying is a sin. Your Dad was trying to bring about a virtue in you. To be humble, walk away from it and ignore it and etc.

I think you mean my grandfather but nevertheless is it mean and nasty to call out a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or is it mean and nasty to call out those of another race? Is it considered bullying for a man to put a woman in her place?

Dolores · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2013, 07:35:36 PM »

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You're kidding right? A bully picks on those who are weaker than him for no reason other than to be mean. There is nothing "manly" about that; it is actually quite cowardly. It doesn't teach strength, justice, or anything resembling good character.

Now, standing up to a bully, that is indeed manly. It teaches the proper use of strength and bravery, and furthers justice.

It depends on what you mean by "manly." For instance to be "manly" today is to be cowardly and intellectual and obsessed with thoughts and ideas while being manly is to be strong and bold against your opponents.

Right-wing ideology is extremely intolerant both politically and religiously on being brutal against those who are "not like us."

There is nothing "anti-manly" about pursuing knowledge and being intellectual. To suggest otherwise would be to call some of the Church's greatest saints as not manly.

Additionally, being aggressive for no other reason that being "bold" or "strong" is not manly, it is just stupid. Yes, men must be brave and strong against their enemies when justice requires it. A kid picking on another kid who is weaker is not furthering justice. In fact, the bully is being unjust.

Frances · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2013, 07:37:57 PM »

Not all bullying is the same. The best response to it is not the same. There is a difference, also, in boys and girls. The stereotypical playground bully, a boy who torments other boys, is best dealt with by having the "ah-hem" beaten out of him by the intended victim. So what if they're both suspended from school? The bully will leave that particular child alone. Bullying these days is much more likely to take place via the internet where hundreds of feral youngsters latch onto the victim like a pack of hyenas to a weak wildebeest. Since the hyenas can change their identities at will, there is no stopping it. Sure, the victim can quit using the internet, but how practical is this for anyone but a young child? Today's technology involves the internet to conduct daily business. How many people live without a mobile phone? Most of us would be unable to be employed or students if we used only landline telephones. People at my place of employment began receiving obscene and insulting emails and texts last Spring. The victims, mainly students and teachers in grades 6-8 have had to change their phone and email addresses. Nonetheless, the bully, most likely a former student or parent of an expelled child, has yet to have been identified. The police have been involved since threats were made in September. One teacher in particular has to spend the first half hour of Monday morning forwarding his emails to the police and deleting them from his work account. He has no idea who hates him enough to engage in this behavior for eight months. None of the leads have led anywhere! One student, a teenage girl, has withdrawn from the school and is being homeschooled because of it. The sad fact is that unless this bully decides to take his or her bullying into reality, there is little chance of stopping it. The police have said as much. There is no money to hire a private computer detective, so on it goes. My "gut" tells me the culprit is the mother of a former student, probably a girl. The police did investigate a person of that description and her daughter, but found nothing. All we really know is that the person is disturbed and very angry. Suggestions anyone?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:30:05 PM »

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There is nothing "anti-manly" about pursuing knowledge and being intellectual. To suggest otherwise would be to call some of the Church's greatest saints as not manly.

Women usually go for the man who is a soldier in the natural order of things, not the intellectual.

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Additionally, being aggressive for no other reason that being "bold" or "strong" is not manly, it is just stupid. Yes, men must be brave and strong against their enemies when justice requires it. A kid picking on another kid who is weaker is not furthering justice. In fact, the bully is being unjust.

That is because as a woman, a woman feels care and concern towards their fellow human being. Men on the other hand are naturally stronger and aggressive, which is why it is natural for men to be soldiers and why men disproportinately end up in prison or do violent acts. Women on the other hand, grow wearisome at the homefront before the men break at the front in wartime and show no great aptitude for combat. It is within the nature of the sexes.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:38:40 PM »

Interesting article:

Helene Guldberg, associate lecturer in child development at the Open University, said intervening to stop the "supposedly terrible dangers of bullying" can do more harm than good.

She insisted teachers should not break up "boisterous banter or everyday playground disputes", saying children should be left to deal with it themselves.

In an on-line article, Dr Guldberg said the current "obsession" with bullying among teachers and politicians was robbing children of the "experiences they need to develop".

Writing on the website Spiked, Dr Guldberg said: "Teachers are increasingly lumbered with the task of looking after children's health and wellbeing rather than being allowed to get on with the task of educating them.

"Children are encouraged to assume their relationships with other children are damaging, and tacitly encouraged to look upon their peers with trepidation and suspicion."

She added: "If we treat children as if they cannot possibly cope with hurtful experiences, then we will likely undermine their confidence and make them less likely to cope with difficult events in the future. In effect, we will prevent them from growing up."

The comments echo remarks made by teachers in recent years who claim the education system has been too focused on developing children's social skills at the expense of academic learning.

Dolores · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »

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There is nothing "anti-manly" about pursuing knowledge and being intellectual. To suggest otherwise would be to call some of the Church's greatest saints as not manly.

Women usually go for the man who is a soldier in the natural order of things, not the intellectual.

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Additionally, being aggressive for no other reason that being "bold" or "strong" is not manly, it is just stupid. Yes, men must be brave and strong against their enemies when justice requires it. A kid picking on another kid who is weaker is not furthering justice. In fact, the bully is being unjust.

That is because as a woman, a woman feels care and concern towards their fellow human being. Men on the other hand are naturally stronger and aggressive, which is why it is natural for men to be soldiers and why men disproportinately end up in prison or do violent acts. Women on the other hand, grow wearisome at the homefront before the men break at the front in wartime and show no great aptitude for combat. It is within the nature of the sexes.

What in the world are you talking about? We've moved from bullying to soldiers?

The simple fact is this: committing an act of violence on another person is objectively wrong unless it is used for defense, or if the person using it has legitimate authority, and uses violence for justice's sake.

Bullying is using violence for violence's sake, usually on someone who is weaker. It doesn't matter whether men are naturally disposed to it or not, it is simply wrong.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2013, 10:40:22 PM »

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What in the world are you talking about? We've moved from bullying to soldiers?

The point was to show that women are naturally given to care and compassion while men are naturally more agressive and violent.

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The simple fact is this: committing an act of violence on another person is objectively wrong unless it is used for defense, or if the person using it has legitimate authority, and uses violence for justice's sake.

We are talking about defense here.

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Bullying is using violence for violence's sake, usually on someone who is weaker. It doesn't matter whether men are naturally disposed to it or not, it is simply wrong.

Well if we use real-world logic the weaker of humanity is put down below the social ladder while the stronger ones are put up top. Anyway the term "bullying" is all subjective, as my leftist enemies call me a bully while I consider their attacks against me as something a bully would do. There is also an easy remedy for the young boy not to be bullied: be good at sports.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2013, 11:19:49 PM »

I don't know that I would say it's a "good" thing, because the bully sins by bullying, but it can be a useful thing, and any kind of suffering is good inasmuch as it brings us closer to Christ and conditions us to despise the things of this world.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** November 28, 2013, 12:59:08 AM »

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Well, bullying is a sin. Your Dad was trying to bring about a virtue in you. To be humble, walk away from it and ignore it and etc.

I think you mean my grandfather but nevertheless is it mean and nasty to call out a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or is it mean and nasty to call out those of another race? Is it considered bullying for a man to put a woman in her place?

That would depend on how these things come about?
to call out a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ
Unless you are warning someone to beware of someone or situation that you know to be a fact this tyoe of behaviour usually involves rash judgement, calumny, or detraction, all of which are sins.
to call out those of another race
What is the purpose of this if not to provoke hatred and sins against charity
to put a woman in her place?
What is the context? Women are to be respected. "Putting someone in their place" implies that you think they are somewhere that they do not belong. If "putting a woman in her place" involves the use of violence or force against her will this would aslo be a sin.
In each of these scenarios the sin would very likely be mortal and I would recommend going to confession before going to commnion in most of these instances.

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** November 28, 2013, 05:33:17 AM »

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It depends on what you mean by "manly." For instance to be "manly" today is to be cowardly and intellectual and obsessed with thoughts and ideas while being manly is to be strong and bold against your opponents.

I've never met anyone who would describe a cowardly intellectual as manly.

Would you describe a jobless 20 year old man who could not face the evil corrupt world an find his place in it, and lived in his mother's basement as "manly"? It's not really a word that springs to mind to describe such a person whether they are from the right or the left.

He might be rather holy, he might spend all his day discussing ideas on the Internet, behaving like a Teutonic keyboard warrior or dream about being a hermit or owning an organic farm, but until he actually does one of those things I would describe him as man-child. Despite his religious convictions, protestations.

Men do stuff.

Dolores · « **Reply #14 on:** November 28, 2013, 06:29:57 AM »

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What in the world are you talking about? We've moved from bullying to soldiers?

The point was to show that women are naturally given to care and compassion while men are naturally more agressive and violent.

Have you ever considered that this inclination towards violence is a consequence of Original Sin, rather than something to be embraced?

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The simple fact is this: committing an act of violence on another person is objectively wrong unless it is used for defense, or if the person using it has legitimate authority, and uses violence for justice's sake.

We are talking about defense.

No, we are not. Bullying, by very definition, occurs when a stronger person using violence on a weaker person, for an unjust reason.

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Bullying is using violence for violence's sake, usually on someone who is weaker. It doesn't matter whether men are naturally disposed to it or not, it is simply wrong.

Well if we use real-world logic the weaker of humanity is put down below the social ladder while the stronger ones are put up top. Anyway the term "bullying" is all subjective, as my leftist enemies call me a bully while I consider their attacks against me as something a bully would do. There is also an easy remedy for the young boy not to be bullied: be good at sports.

What your coworkers may think doesn't change reality. A bully is someone who uses violence on a weaker person unjustifiably. A bully is usually a coward, and he sins by doing what he does. Yes, kids who play sports usually aren't bullied. But that does no mean all kids should or need to play sports. A bully sins by doing what he does, and it should not be encouraged.