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Offline Truth is Eternal

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Is Aversion for Truth (Catholic Faith) Natural or Unnatural?
« on: September 12, 2012, 01:46:27 PM »
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  • Does it take more work throughout a persons life to avoid truth instead of embracing it?

    Several people I know  have such an aversion/deep hatred for truth and no amount of evidence will convince them the path to true peace is truth (Catholic Faith).
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Is Aversion for Truth (Catholic Faith) Natural or Unnatural?
    « Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 01:58:48 PM »
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    Does it take more work throughout a persons life to avoid truth instead of embracing it?

    Several people I know  have such an aversion/deep hatred for truth and no amount of evidence will convince them the path to true peace is truth (Catholic Faith).


    Some people possess a rancid soul.  

    Others...  I couldn't say.

    How are you approaching people about the truth?


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    Is Aversion for Truth (Catholic Faith) Natural or Unnatural?
    « Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 02:03:42 PM »
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    Does it take more work throughout a persons life to avoid truth instead of embracing it?

    Several people I know  have such an aversion/deep hatred for truth and no amount of evidence will convince them the path to true peace is truth (Catholic Faith).


    For some, they dont want to be bothered.
    others, best to ignore or finesse
    Others +Williamson had a good talk on this, notes some lack the ability to see through the veil kept over them.....for whatever reason, they are kept in dark....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    Is Aversion for Truth (Catholic Faith) Natural or Unnatural?
    « Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 09:06:13 PM »
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  • I think in the moment, day to day, it is easier to reject the truth rather than embrace it. I think the human tendency is to shy away from anything inconvenient to our inordinate desires, unfortunately. These daily rejections of truth and goodness add up to a big mess, though, making life ultimately more difficult in the long run.

    Rejecting the truth only leads to pain. Some examples below:

    ~The Catholic faith says I can't fornicate. But i love my boyfriend, so surely it's alright to have sex with him. Afterall, we plan on getting married anyway.
       -Result: Boyfriend dumps girlfriend after finding out she's pregnant. Now baby
        is without a father. Many times the mother will make the same mistake again,
        having multiple children with multiple fathers. Then she wonders why life is so
        hard. She failed to choose the Truth.
       
    ~The Catholic faith says I cannot participate in debauchery. Catholics are such a drag. There's nothing wrong with lettin loose every once in awhile. I'm going to get drunk if I want. I'm still a good person.
       -Result: Said person makes a regular habit out of drinking too much, and
        becomes a borderline alcoholic. Their lack of selfcontrol filters into all other
        areas of their life, making their conscience weak, leaving them rolling around
        in their world of gluttony and sloth. Pretty soon they've spent all their money,
        have managed to obtain 3 STD's and got fired from work for showing up one
        too many times with a hangover. Then they wonder they are depressed, and
        hate themselves so much. They figure it must be genetics that make them
        depressed. Things could have been different if they chose Truth.

    ~The Catholic faith tells me I need to confess my deepest darkest secrets (sins) to the Priest. That's stupid. God knows my faults, and I've apologized to him already. The Priest is just a man, anyway. Who does he think he is? God? That's messed up.
       -Result: The big secret this man is hiding is cheating on his wife. He's too
        embarrased to admit it to anyone, including the Priest. He chooses pride over
        humility and forgiveness. The Devil takes that pride and makes it a strong root
        in his life, making sure he never tells. Though the man cheated, he loves his
        wife and wishes he never would have done it. His conscience eats at him for
        rest of his life. He hates himself, and thinks his wife should hate him too.  
        their marriage crumbles to the ground. They divorce. He's left without her,
        while taking his guilt with him to his death.
        A lose-lose situation. If he would have chosen the truth, he may have still
        lost his wife (hopefully she would forgive him and work through it), but he at
        at least could have lived in peace during his days knowing that his sin was
        absolved.

    For every action, there is a consequence or reward, wether that be temporal or eternal. When we go against the truth, it should be no suprise that we end up miserable in this life and the next. But somehow, to the one without faith, their "lack of fortune" always comes as a suprise. To the person trapped in byproducts of their own sin, the Faith looks like a bunch of fuddy-duddies following a list of rigid rules. If only they knew that these "rules" were placed on us by God because he loves us. He wants us to be in eternity with him. The sad thing is, if you were to tell them that their current state of being is bad (multiple illigetimate children, broke and drunk, etc) their pride usually kicks in and they get defensive. Practical reasoning rarely works with them. They need to be moved by grace. At work, or in other secular dealings, I always pray that God would pinpoint to me the ones that are fertile soil, so that my words don't fall on hard dry ground.

    We need to pray for them. Pray that grace would move them to be receptive to the truth, and keen to what has been leading them to death.

    What I really could have said, instead of all of that, was that yes, I think it takes much more work to avoid it than to embrace it, lol.

    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 11:56:33 PM »
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    Does it take more work throughout a persons life to avoid truth instead of embracing it?

    Several people I know  have such an aversion/deep hatred for truth and no amount of evidence will convince them the path to true peace is truth (Catholic Faith).


    Some people possess a rancid soul.  

    Others...  I couldn't say.

    How are you approaching people about the truth?


    My problem I have at work is people want a shoulder to cry on until they find out I am a Traditional Catholic.

    These people ask questions to find out my positions on certain controversial subjects. I tell them, "You don't want to know." They keep asking. I tell them, "You don't want to know." They then say they can handle my answers.  When they find out I am a Traditional Catholic, they can't handle my answers.

    I finally ask them, If you ever thought I might be right, would you become a Traditional Catholic to save your soul so as to avoid hell?" I have had all three people quickly respond to my question by saying, "NO!"

    I then think people talk behind the scenes to warn other people to avoid me since they all know they can't win a debate against truth.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 11:58:14 PM »
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    I think in the moment, day to day, it is easier to reject the truth rather than embrace it. I think the human tendency is to shy away from anything inconvenient to our inordinate desires, unfortunately. These daily rejections of truth and goodness add up to a big mess, though, making life ultimately more difficult in the long run.

    Rejecting the truth only leads to pain. Some examples below:

    ~The Catholic faith says I can't fornicate. But i love my boyfriend, so surely it's alright to have sex with him. Afterall, we plan on getting married anyway.
       -Result: Boyfriend dumps girlfriend after finding out she's pregnant. Now baby
        is without a father. Many times the mother will make the same mistake again,
        having multiple children with multiple fathers. Then she wonders why life is so
        hard. She failed to choose the Truth.
       
    ~The Catholic faith says I cannot participate in debauchery. Catholics are such a drag. There's nothing wrong with lettin loose every once in awhile. I'm going to get drunk if I want. I'm still a good person.
       -Result: Said person makes a regular habit out of drinking too much, and
        becomes a borderline alcoholic. Their lack of selfcontrol filters into all other
        areas of their life, making their conscience weak, leaving them rolling around
        in their world of gluttony and sloth. Pretty soon they've spent all their money,
        have managed to obtain 3 STD's and got fired from work for showing up one
        too many times with a hangover. Then they wonder they are depressed, and
        hate themselves so much. They figure it must be genetics that make them
        depressed. Things could have been different if they chose Truth.

    ~The Catholic faith tells me I need to confess my deepest darkest secrets (sins) to the Priest. That's stupid. God knows my faults, and I've apologized to him already. The Priest is just a man, anyway. Who does he think he is? God? That's messed up.
       -Result: The big secret this man is hiding is cheating on his wife. He's too
        embarrased to admit it to anyone, including the Priest. He chooses pride over
        humility and forgiveness. The Devil takes that pride and makes it a strong root
        in his life, making sure he never tells. Though the man cheated, he loves his
        wife and wishes he never would have done it. His conscience eats at him for
        rest of his life. He hates himself, and thinks his wife should hate him too.  
        their marriage crumbles to the ground. They divorce. He's left without her,
        while taking his guilt with him to his death.
        A lose-lose situation. If he would have chosen the truth, he may have still
        lost his wife (hopefully she would forgive him and work through it), but he at
        at least could have lived in peace during his days knowing that his sin was
        absolved.

    For every action, there is a consequence or reward, wether that be temporal or eternal. When we go against the truth, it should be no suprise that we end up miserable in this life and the next. But somehow, to the one without faith, their "lack of fortune" always comes as a suprise. To the person trapped in byproducts of their own sin, the Faith looks like a bunch of fuddy-duddies following a list of rigid rules. If only they knew that these "rules" were placed on us by God because he loves us. He wants us to be in eternity with him. The sad thing is, if you were to tell them that their current state of being is bad (multiple illigetimate children, broke and drunk, etc) their pride usually kicks in and they get defensive. Practical reasoning rarely works with them. They need to be moved by grace. At work, or in other secular dealings, I always pray that God would pinpoint to me the ones that are fertile soil, so that my words don't fall on hard dry ground.

    We need to pray for them. Pray that grace would move them to be receptive to the truth, and keen to what has been leading them to death.

    What I really could have said, instead of all of that, was that yes, I think it takes much more work to avoid it than to embrace it, lol.



    Thanks for the response. I have learned a lot from your post.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 09:49:44 PM »
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  • My husband had a sign above his desk, in the military.  the sign was a baby in diapers crying with it's thumb in its mouth and it said, "Wah Wah".  When any soldier came by complaining he would point to the sign and say, "Call, 1-800- Wah-Wah.

    For you, it is like, "can you drink from the chalice?"  My husband now works in a hospital and he started listening to those in divorce and such and when he got himself more into it, the devil was drawing him in.  He has learnt to not listen and not get involved.  Me, if anyone crosses my path, I say, "Do you say the rosary?"  Would you like to know of the powers?  They usually say they don't say it, and don't have time.  Well, then I don't have time to listen, because that is what I do every day and that is where I take my woes.  And try the foot of the cross.  But these people, what do they expect for an answer?  Oh, well.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 14, 2012, 06:12:23 AM »
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  • Well, no one can be convinced by anything we say alone. It takes special supernatural grace for hearts to become docile to the message of Christ and then to accept His divine teaching. "No man can come to Me, except the Father draw him". As Jen51 said, many people are afraid to embrace the truth because they unduly fear the obligations this could place on them. But rather, as Christ said, they are currently chained in darkness and slaves to sin, and it is Truth alone that shall set them free.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.