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    Boldly borrowing the language of Catholic Pontiffs, Ireland’s Taoiseach (prime minister) Enda Kenny has said that legislation introduced by his government to allow abortion in some cases will promote a “culture of life.”

    Kenny claimed that the proposed change in Irish law, which would allow abortion if the mother’s health is endangered, is “about the protection of the lives of women and full respect for the life of the unborn.”

    The Taoiseach rejected criticism from Ireland’s four archbishops, who said that the proposal would lead to a much broader acceptance of legal abortion. Kenny said that he plans to discuss the issue when he meets with Church leaders in January.

    However, the Irish political leader also issued a public reminder of his disputes with the Catholic Church by claiming that he had been threatened with “revenge” for criticizing the Vatican. He did not identify the source of the threat, nor did he say what form the “revenge” might take.

    Meanwhile a leading Irish pro-life activist argued that the government’s case for a change in the country’s abortion law is based on a series of falsehoods. In an Irish Times op-ed column, William Binchy said that the death of Savita Halappanavar, which has been used as the rallying point for efforts to end the abortion ban, would not have been prevented by the proposed legislation. Moreover, he writes, the European Court of Human Rights did not call upon Ireland to change its fundamental law, and the “expert group” appointed by the government to study the law had a broad mandate to consider other options.
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    Irish leader says allowing some abortion promotes culture of life
    « Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 10:22:17 AM »
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  • I personally regard Enda as a traitor and a coward and not just because of this latest on abortion. The Fine Gael/Labour government are finished in the eyes of the people. The vast bulk of people want a new movement. Many people no longer vote and are not represented by these political parties.

    Very revolutionary times in regard the political scene in Ireland.



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    Irish leader says allowing some abortion promotes culture of life
    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 10:24:19 AM »
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  • As for threats.See also:

    Gardai probe threats to archbishop over abortion
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-probe-threats-to-archbishop-over-abortion-3333192.html
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    By Fiach Kelly Political Correspondent
    Friday December 21 2012
    GARDAI are to probe threats against Archbishop Diarmuid Martin warning him to be careful while "out on the streets" because of his views on abortion.

    Dr Martin told how he had received a threatening letter in the wake of revelations by Taoiseach Enda Kenny that he had also received a threat – as tensions on the contentious issue look likely to continue to heighten.

    He said he received the letter in the past week and reported it to gardai straight away.

    Dr Martin said: "I have received also a threatening letter which says because of my views on abortion I should be careful when I go out on the streets.

    "There are strange people around, I have no bullet-proof vest on. I have constantly said mature debate should be measured debate.

    "The Catholic position is a very strong one about the equal right of mother and baby and that is the situation we have."

    Dr Martin has reported the threat to gardai, who will now investigate the matter.

    Dr Martin also said yesterday that people should be able to express their views "with conviction", but added that "extreme language" and personal attacks were not the way "we go forward".

    He was responding to Taoiseach Enda Kenny's claim that he had been threatened with "revenge for Cloyne" in the abortion debate, a reference to Mr Kenny denouncing the Vatican in the wake of the Cloyne Report into clerical abuse.

    The Government this week outlined plans to legislate and regulate for abortion in cases where there is a threat to the life of the mother – including the highly contentious issue of the threat of suicide.

    Dr Martin – one of a number of bishops who attacked the Government's proposals to legislate for abortion – has called for a calm debate on the issue.

    It comes after the four Catholic archbishops this week called for TDs to be given a free vote when abortion legislation comes before the Dail, which is expected to be early next summer.

    Dr Martin repeated this call yesterday, but this has been firmly ruled out by Mr Kenny.

    As revealed in the Irish Independent, the Taoiseach told his TDs "a messenger" had threatened him with "revenge for Cloyne".

    He also told his Fine Gael colleagues he believes he will become a target for more abuse as relations between church and State deteriorate over the abortion row.

    Mr Kenny said the message was passed to him earlier this week, but he did not say if it was in writing or said to his face, or who sent it.

    Revenge

    Some TDs took it that the archbishops' statement was the "revenge", but Dr Martin's spokeswoman insisted there was no connection whatsoever.

    Puzzled TDs said Mr Kenny's claim was like something from a Dan Brown novel.

    But Independent National University of Ireland (NUI) Senator Ronan Mullen criticised Mr Kenny for highlighting "the specifics of abusive correspondence" and said he was only giving "oxygen" to malcontents.

    Mr Mullen said "a lack of civility on the part of individuals is not confined to one side or the other" of the abortion debate.

    "Selectively drawing attention to abusive anti-abortion correspondence does a disservice to the tens of thousands of members of the pro-life movement who are sincere, respectful and well-intentioned," he added.

    Communications Minister Pat Rabbitte said he was "taken aback by the vigour of the language" used by archbishops in their statement earlier this week.

    He said he had "no objection at all" to the archbishops making their opinions known.

    But added: "What I do not want to see is the clergy dictating to legislators how to legislate. But I have no objection to the bishops making their input."

    Archbishop Martin said "nobody should be told by government that they have no right to speak".

    - Fiach Kelly Political Correspondent

    Irish Independent

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    Irish leader says allowing some abortion promotes culture of life
    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2012, 10:29:07 AM »
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    the death of Savita Halappanavar


    A website that highlights the truth and facts and exposes the lies.

    http://savitafacts.com/

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    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2012, 10:36:00 AM »
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  • Enda told to "whip his people into line".Anne Ferris is a Labour politician.


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    Here's a take on Anne Ferris's intervention in the abortion debate where she said that the Tanaiste told the Taoiseach to "whip his people into line" on abortion. Deputy Ferris has never denied that it is her on the audio.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 10:44:31 AM »
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  • Abortion is all part of the plan though. In reality Ireland is a Rothschild, Oppenheimer, Goldman Sachs "whore state". Sodomy, abortion, divorce, sex ed for under 10s, mass immigration,  astronomic fuel prices, inflation,emigration and native Gaels destroyed. Ireland will never have freedom or any Catholic liberty until rid of the  Jewish run central banks and their front organisations such as the EU, IMF ECB etc etc.

    The Irish have to fight back and keep the faith or else all these social evils will destroy the country. Already Ireland is ruined and patriots are rebuilding the country.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 08:35:49 AM »
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  • A draft of a new leaflet.

     

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