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  • "Pope" Francis' universal allocution on Ireland's legalization of infant killing:

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 09:59:19 PM »
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  • 'You reap what you so' has never been more true than it is today.

    Unfortunately, the Church herself spent many years sowing the seeds that have ended in the total loss of a christian moral compass in Ireland. The church used to be the moral authority in the land, but when it was exposed as being hypocritical and the source of great hurt in a lot of people's lives it lost all rights to that authority. It will take generations for that authority to be rebuilt, if it ever is.
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  • If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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  • Torch of The Faith News on Saturday 26 May 2018 - 19:28:19 | by admin

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    Ireland's Revolution of Death - Do Not Call it Compassion

    The Rock of Cashel, Co. Tipperary, Ireland. Tradition holds that St. Patrick converted the King of Munster here in the 5th-Century. In the following centuries, this remained the traditional seat of the Christian Kings of Munster. In 1101, the king donated the site to the Church; and the chapel which followed developed into a vast cathedral in the 13th-Century. In 1647, it was sacked by English Parliamentarian troops, who massacred both the Irish Confederate troops and the resident Catholic clergy. Today, it stands as a poignant reminder of the heights and wonders of Ireland's Catholic civilization.

    UPDATE at 7pm UK Time: 12 minutes ago, the BBC has announced the fact that the pro-abortion vote has been carried by 66.4% to 33.6%. Their news is accompanied with images of exultant crowds, with cheering young women prominent amongst them. I don't know what they are cheering about. It is an evil day in Irish and world history. It only makes what follows more relevant. May God have mercy on us...

    As I write this at tea-time on Saturday, counties in the Republic of Ireland are returning majority ''Yes'' votes, from the referendum on the 8th Amendment, with depressing regularity.

    Although many pro-lifers seemed to concede defeat hours ago, and it seemed odd that many of the ''Yes'' voters were celebrating victory before counting even began, I have waited until now to make any comment as I have continued to hold out hope for a pro-life victory for as long as possible.

    One of the more disturbing aspects of all this is to see - once again in such a struggle between the Culture of Death and the Culture of Life - so many people speaking in Orwellian sounding phrases, which attempt to empty the English and Irish languages of all rational meaning.

    And so, we have the spectacle of politicians suggesting that the ''Yes'' vote is somehow a sign of ''compassion'' and ''cultural development''.

    I mean seriously, have these people ever seen the brutal realities of what abortion truly is? Or the lives it destroys and those it also wrecks? Have they never heard of mortal sin, or even of post-abortion syndrome?

    This is what makes the videos of people screaming to welcome ''Yes'' voters at Dublin airport, the photographs of smiling young mums voting ''Yes'' with babes in their arms, and the inane statements of so many politicians and pop stars so grimly disturbing and irrational.

    To witness this is to be offended by the festering, yet sweetly sugar-coated, diabolical Hell of post-modern nihilism, in all its narcissistic violence.

    This is the darkening of the intellect on a vast scale. It recalls the diabolical disorientaton, warned of by Sr. Lucia of Fatima.

    I have been utterly flabbergasted by the sight of Senator David Norris, a man old enough to know better, grinning as he announces that, ''Ireland has changed. We are now firmly in the 21st Century.''

    Oh, you are that, mate.

    Then again, Sinn Fein's Mary Lou McDonald sounded more strangely Orwellian when she described the ''Yes'' landslide as ''a clear message of compassion and progress.''

    Or how about Naomi Long's remarkable description of it as, ''a leap in the respect people have for women.''

    Perhaps, though, none of these was as oddly creepy as Simon Harris TD beginning a tweet with a smiley (!), before oozing, ''Will sleep tonight in the hope of waking up to a country that is more compassionate, more caring and more respectful.''

    Really? I don't know how that fella sleeps nights. I really don't.

     Look, let's say things as they really are, if the English and Irish languages are still to have any content whatsoever, in the midst of this ridiculous emptying out of meaning; which so typifies the post-modern collapse.

    If you like:-

    Call the ''Yes'' landslide Apostasy.

    Call it a Betrayal of the Most Holy Trinity at the heart of the Irish Constitution.

    Call it a kind of Blasphemy.

    Call it an insult to Christ, Our Lady and the Irish saints, martyrs, missionaries and religious.

    Call it cold Cold Blooded Murder.

    Call it the chill embrace of the Culture of Death.

    Call it Evil.

    Call it False.

    Call it the start of a Holocaust of the Pre-Born.

    Call it Collective Insanity.

    Call it the Suicide of a Nation.

    Call it the Last Days of the Irish Republic.

    But, do not have the temerity, the ignorance, or the downright, wretched arrogance to call it compassion, progress or respect!

    No, not ever!

    Some years ago, I remarked to my late friend Fr Mike Williams, may God rest his soul, that I could not understand the merry acceptance so many display when it comes to abortion. With the directness which so often typified his comments on matters of such gravity, he told me not to even try to understand it; for it is evil and one could only understand it by becoming a part of it. Best to be ignorant of such things and remain on the side of what is good.

    I thought of that sound advice today when I tried to make sense of those merry makers cheering in videos as ''Yes'' majorities were announced from county after county, or perused on-line pictures of parents showing their small children collages made from ''Yes'' voting literature. In then end, I had to make the sign of the Cross and turn off the video as I observed young women screaming in adulation about the acceptance of something which will so offend God, destroy so many innocent lives, massively damage society, harden the hearts of many more men and women, and cause still other women to be used as mere playthings by the selfish lust of so many narcissistic men in these times of immaturity, non-commitment and excess.

    Whilst it is clear that, as Save the 8th has charged, Google and others were denying the ''No'' vote advertising space, and we had a weird experience when our own web-security browser kept mysteriously blocking access to the Irish pro-life novena prayers, it is also difficult to know what to make of on-line discussion forum claims of older people being told they were not listed to vote, or else had ''D'' marked next to them to say they were not able to vote in the referendum, when they attended their local polling stations. I imagine that such complaints must be taken, with plenty of witnesses, to the nearest officers of the Gardai.

    Again, I have to say that being a Catholic layman these days feels increasingly like being a parched and battle-weary bugler, calling in vain for reinforcements up on Custer Hill; or else as a tear-streaked Joey crying hopelessly for ''Shane'' across the desert.

    I mean, for goodness' sake, when Alfie Evans was being forceably denied oxygen, fluid and nutrition, within a heavily cordoned and guarded hospital, I called out numerous times for our local Archbishop to get involved. I can't tell you how gutted I was to subsequently learn that, whilst he could not get down the road a few miles to support Alfie and his family, he had instead been over to Rome to speak about the case with Francis; and that he next managed to get the good priest who was helping the family unceremoniously booted out...

    It is the same now with Francis and Ireland. One raises one's voice as best one can, only to find that Francis is ignoring the Irish landslide and tweeting safe little messages about love of God and neighbour. Well, let's make that concrete, shall we?

    I've been thinking again this afternoon about the mysterious fact that, at the very moment that Our Lady appeared at Knock, on 21st August, 1879, She was facing silently towards both La Salette and Rome.

    And, whilst elements of the overall La Salette apparitions dealt with prophecies of Rome, not without suppression by some authorities in the Church, Our Lady of La Salette was being officially given a Canonical Coronation on that very day. For that information, by the way, I am indebted to Gregory Johnson's series of articles on Knock at Tradition in Action.

    This all seems to suggest that there is much more to the Knock apparitions than a mere feel-good, pop-culture kind of loveliness; which is how the shrine is too often presented these days... Clearly, this all needs prayerful discernment and ongoing reflection.

    This is especially so, given the appearance at Knock also of the Lamb of God, St. Joseph, St. John of the Apocalypse and the angels; together with Ireland's present and tragic demise into a post-Catholic, Culture of Death. What was Our Lady really communicating to us in Her majestically, mysterious silence? 

    The ''Yes'' vote landslide is a massive disaster for Ireland, for the unborn, for the world and for the Catholic Church.

    Whatever else that is, and whatever deeper message Our Lady was trying to convey at Knock, as at Fatima and other places, the acceptance of abortion is certainly not compassion. Neither is it progress.

    I sincerely hope that the Irish bishops and priests will warn their people tomorrow that, to avoid sacrilegious communions, those who voted ''Yes'' to abortion must repent, confess and make restitution before next presenting themselves for Holy Communion.

    Alas, too few did so when the ''same-sex marriage'' referendum happened almost three years ago this summer.

    We must all STOP offending God and, from now on, live as real Catholics. It is time for mediocrity to cease. May God convert and forgive us all!

    Catholic Ireland is Falling - May Our Lady of Knock - Save us!

     

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    Re: Ireland and Abortion
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2018, 11:36:07 AM »
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  • LETTER TO:

    Att. Fr B McKevitt, Editor of Catholic newspaper ALIVE.

    Now while the iron is hot and before all the alibis are made and the excuses are formed let us consider the real reasons...........why we failed to stand up and be counted and give a firm account of our Faith?

    The obvious must come first;
    a pope who could not be bothered enough to have made a simple statement

    an archbishop who has made a career of apologizing for the sins of the church

    a primate in Armagh who writes articles for the Irish Times about the !tenderness of women' 

    a nuncio that reflects what the hierarchy of Ireland stands for, 'total............ 'silence'

    one or two dozen priests who at most scrambled and scratched a few words of support for a misguided laity


    We have as a people got rid of our culture and our language and now its time to dump our Faith, 
    and why not?

    By our actions and declarations, we show ourselves as;

    Gutless and spineless

    with no leadership

    no direction

    no consequences

    We stumbled along as each day demands for more and more money kept coming through our letterboxes so that more and more horrible posters could be stuck up on poles throughout the country, and more and more ineffectual rallies could be held, with very very little rhythm or reason. 

    I tried to point out in my recent article to you (Is This Priest Mad?) which you lacked the courage or guts to publish instead choosing to print your usual everyday items makes me wonder just what is or was intended
    to be the primary purpose of your paper.

    Like The Irish Catholic ( to which I also submitted an article and also one they had not got the Catholic courage to publish) they just danced around the referendum maypole ad infinitum each Thursday, with an endless series of articles designed to offend no one and/or inspire even less as they hit the newsagents shelves.

    Did you never consider as custodians of the faith and moral wellbeing of the Catholic reader as being your primary obligation is to actually spell out what Catholicism is all about should be presented without fear or favor and so come first?   

    Now I doubt if you will even accept that the outcome of this appalling referendum owes a great deal to your newsletter and newspaper tragically failing in your Catholic responsibilities and as such should only be considered totally  'unfit for purpose'

    Certainly, I will not be reading your 'best efforts' for a very long time.

    John H.


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    Re: Ireland and Abortion
    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2018, 11:50:32 AM »
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  • One of my letters to Irish newspapers prior to referendum. Needless to say it was not published.

    Dear editor,

    Thank you for highlighting the delight of James Bond Daniel Craig and his wife actress Rachel Weisz at the news she was pregnant and had revealed they were thrilled to have a “little Human” on the way. “Daniel and I are so happy we are going to have a little human. We cannot wait to meet him or her,” your headlines reported. To see in print at this time a mother correctly refer to her conception as another human being has made me realise exactly what this government is doing when offering the people of Ireland the upcoming referendum in the hope they will abandon the 8th amendment to the Irish Constitution.
        Recently, the Supreme Court ruled that nowhere else in the Irish constitution is an unborn “human being” protected. The 8thamendment is the only place where this “human right” exists, and if that is removed the unborn will have no rights under our constitution. Introducing a law that says after 12 weeks the government will offer some rights to “little humans” will, as witnessed in so many other countries, be extended to birth itself. What other consequences this loss of all rights for the unborn will have only God knows.
        Were this referendum aimed at removing the different animal rights adhered to, even by law, in this country there would be riots in the streets, and rightly so. Were I to tell you animal rights have been included in the German and Swiss constitutions, and who knows but the EU may well make it compulsory here in Ireland. Imagine in a country like ours, who protect species like cormorants, toads, slugs and mussels, if this referendum gets passed, they will have more protection from the law than “little humans” up to 12 weeks and eventually up until they are born. Such thinking reminds me of the many such holocausts of the past.

    Yours sincerely,

    Cassini.

    TODAY'S MEDIA:

    ‘Nowadays, the vast majority of human beings in all countries are at the mercy of the newspapers for information about the world. And the newspapers mislead them atrociously. “Journalism,” writes G. K. Chesterton “is a false picture of the world, thrown upon a lighted screen in a darkened room so that the real world is not seen and the unreal world is seen… We live under secret government, conducted by a secret process called Publicity.”[1]  

    ‘A New York editor, John Swinton, during an annual dinner of the New York Press Association, declared: “There is no such thing as an independent Press in America [Europe etc.]. You know this and I know it. Not a man among you dares to utter his honest opinion. Were you to utter it, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print…The man who would be so foolish as to write his honest opinion would soon be on the streets in search of another job… these men pull the strings, and we dance. Our time, our talents our lives, our capacities are all the property of these men; we are intellectual prostitutes.”’[2]



    [1] G.K’s Weekly, December 3rd., 1932.

    [2] Fr Denis Fahey: The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World, Regina Publications Ltd., Dublin, 1954, pp xi-xii.


    PS, it is reported 89% of Irish youth (18-30) voted YES to abortion. The headliners of today's Irish newspapers are delighted with this 'historic vicrory.' 'IRELAND OPENS ITS DOORS TO ABORTION' says the IRISH INDEPENDANT, leaving no doubt as to what the majority of Irish voters have said YES to. 



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    « Reply #21 on: May 27, 2018, 05:26:43 PM »
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  • What a tragedy. 

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    « Reply #22 on: May 28, 2018, 12:09:49 AM »
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  • 2018 Abortion:



    2015 Gay Marriage:





    Looks like the areas with less Norman-French, Viking, and English influence were less likely to vote for abortion and gay marriage. I think we can say that Pope Adrian IV's bull Laudabiliter was a mistake.  
    Pray for me, always.


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  • Yesterday Eamon Martin, Archbishop of Armagh and Catholic Primate of All Ireland was asked on radio what this vote for abortion means to Pope Francis's visit to Ireland in August for the MEETING OF FAMILIES.

    'Oh he said, the people of Ireland will still welcome him, they are still interested in what Pope Francis has to say.'

    YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP, COULD YOU?


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    « Reply #24 on: May 28, 2018, 09:38:17 AM »
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  • Yesterday Eamon Martin, Archbishop of Armagh and Catholic Primate of All Ireland was asked on radio what this vote for abortion means to Pope Francis's visit to Ireland in August for the MEETING OF FAMILIES.

    'Oh he said, the people of Ireland will still welcome him, they are still interested in what Pope Francis has to say.'

    YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP, COULD YOU?

    How ironic.

    In August, the "Jew's Pope" comes to Ireland to oversee the spiritual decimation of the country.

    Everyone with eyes to see, know the judeo-masonics want to eliminate the Irish race.


    The Irish Catholic resistance should plan a prayer Novena for Francis's coming.

    May they invoke St. Patrick and all the Irish Saints, especially the 6,247,400 souls of the Irish holocaust to intercede for us.

    The intention should include that Francis be humbled, as a sign from Heaven, for his failure to protect the souls of the unborn.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #25 on: May 28, 2018, 05:35:19 PM »
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  • The latest is Archbishop Martin saying on radio that a yes vote was a sin and any Catholic who voted yes will have to go to confession. Needless to say the media are in stitches over this.

    On Friday Catholics vote yes to the future murder of countless unborn, whose souls are created by God to be with him in Heaven but now prevented from the Beatific Vision by 'Catholic' yes voters. On Saturday they can go to confession according to Martin and be good Catholics again.

    Picture one of these day-after-confession yes voters at the gates of heaven when dead. 'Where do you think you are going' says the angel at the gate. 'Ah I got confession on that Saturday says the yes voter. 'Why do you think you should get in here when you have made sure with your yes vote that millions of other souls CANNOT enter heaven, ever' replies the gatekeeper.

    'Now shove off.' 


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  • Heaven Unleashes an Extraordinary Attack upon the British Isles
    After Once-Catholic Ireland Votes 2 to 1 to Permit Abortions



    So Powerful an Attack Did Heaven Unleash upon the British Isles
    That the Sky Turned Purple for Four Hours
    During Which 15,000 Lightning Bolts Struck
    Destroying Buildings, Setting Structures on Fire
    And Flooding Residences across the British Isles
    Fifty Years of the Fake Newchurch of the New Order
    And Its Paedophile Crimes Turned the Irish People
    Once One of the Most Catholic in the World
    Against God And the True Catholic Doctrine and Morality and Mass

    Just hours after the Ireland voted on May 26, 2018, 2 to 1 to amend its constitution to permit abortions, Heaven unleashed its disapproval of the gross immorality from a country that was once one of the most Catholic in the world. However, fifty years of the anti-Catholic Newchurch of the New Order and its rampant paedophile crimes have turned the Irish people away not only from the fake Newchurch, but also from the true Catholic doctrine and morality.

    An extraordinary display, not before seen in the British Isles and surrounding areas, unleashed four hours of 15,000 lightning strikes, which destroyed buildings flooded residences with torrential rains and high winds. The heavenly attack went on for a full four hours, grounding aircraft flights and setting off widespread fires. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by BBC News.]

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #27 on: May 28, 2018, 09:05:22 PM »
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  • These secular pro life groups aren't the answer.  They are mostly about fundraising and money.  

    A lot of money on both sides.  Most of the money and lies are coming from satanic groups outside of Ireland.  

    I was happy to see Donegal was prolife.  And there is Northern Ireland.  Forget about those secular groups.  It is time to restore all things in Jesus worldwide. 


    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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  • These secular pro life groups aren't the answer.  They are mostly about fundraising and money.  

    A lot of money on both sides.  Most of the money and lies are coming from satanic groups outside of Ireland.  

    I was happy to see Donegal was prolife.  And there is Northern Ireland.  Forget about those secular groups.  It is time to restore all things in Jesus worldwide. 


    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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  • A pro-lifer in Dublin has said the pro-life movement as they call it  have lost the working class people in Dublin. I haven't ignored this and wonder is it the same all over Ireland. I and others did all we could in this campaign.

    We began sinking roots in communities several years ago. If people feel abandoned they don't forget it. The pro-life lobby didn't forget Connemara and the islands. Mainly Irish speaking areas of Ireland. I visited Irish speaking areas where there is still common sense and a traditional way of life.

    Whilst the main campaign groups were secular there were many events involving private and public prayer. I would like to see rosary rallies going through the main cities and towns of Ireland.

    We are at war for certain. The only way forward I see is the guerrilla warfare approach. Small pockets of resistance. The young people who campaigned for a No are fantastic. One girl, who is eighteen has State exams soon but as she said her self saving the babies is more important.

    Another girl aged 18 travelled by boat and bus on the same day to canvass for a No. Some of the boys coming up the line are fantastic too. Praise the youth. There will be compromise and betrayal in the weeks ahead but be assured I and others will not be selling out and compromise is not an option. Happy to fight to death for the Kingship of Christ and for the unborn child. When you are willing to die for the cause what can our enemies do? Yes, they will brand us the crazies, the fanatics, the extremists but we all know who the extremists are. These abortionists and their supporters.

    We need to pray for those that voted Yes and in particular young people.

    Fair play and well done to all volunteers who campaigned for a No vote. Our enemies will try and demoralise us and destroy us. Important to rally around and support the young pro lifers in particular and in particular the girls.




     

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