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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Investing for retirement while avoiding usury?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2019, 07:56:02 PM »
What's really garbage is the Federal Reserve system, where banks borrow money at next-to-no interest from the Fed.  What are Fed notes backed by?  By the people.  In other words, they're borrowing money from us and then lending it back to us at interest.  At least the old-fashioned Jew usurer gave you his own gold (ill-gotten as it was).  Here the Jew borrows gold from you, then gives you the gold and demands it back with interest.  They're laughing all the way to ... well, to their perdition.

Re: Investing for retirement while avoiding usury?
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2019, 04:50:04 AM »
They're laughing all the way to ... well, to their perdition.
Yes. I think it would be interesting if Jews secretly had themselves baptized on their deathbeds so they would have a chance at salvation after spending their lives serving Satan. Like if that was common.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Investing for retirement while avoiding usury?
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2019, 05:51:03 AM »
I think I will speak to a priest first but I don’t know if that will change my mind.  I had been thinking of rolling over with brokerage IRA and choosing my own stocks.
When looking for stocks that you would think would be ok I found that all or most have interest income listed on their income statements.  In your other post on this thread you say that one penny loaned at 1% is still evil.  So wouldn’t investing in a stock that makes some interest income be evil as well?
I took the penalty and closed my 401K about 17 years ago. Dumb move. I don't know but I don't think they had online brokerages that handled IRAs or 401Ks at the time, but I wish someone at that time would have told me to roll it over into one of those. That would have most definitely been a very smart move.

Re: Investing for retirement while avoiding usury?
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2019, 09:31:00 AM »
The thing is we are supposed to have properly formed consciences to act on them properly, you need to speak to a priest who is knowledgeable in financial matters. Avoid most younger priests (the SSPX in particular seems to ordain children with no real world experience in the US ever since +Williamson was moved from the seminary) they lack enough knowledge

Re: Investing for retirement while avoiding usury?
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2019, 09:57:07 AM »
I have a 401k that I had from an old job before I converted.  I want to rollover this money into investments that would align with the traditional Catholic faith.  Unfortunately the “Catholic” mutual funds like Ave Maria Mutual Funds have investments in bank stocks and/or bonds.

I have found a few Moslem firms that offer “Shariah compliant funds” which avoid bank stocks and bonds.  However when reviewing the income statement of the companies they invest in they all have interest income listed albeit this is normally not an extremely significant amount.

I really don’t want to have to take the penalty for withdrawing early I would prefer to be able to find an investment that is pleasing to God and not tainted with usurious income but this is proving extremely hard.  I have spent much time trying to figure out what to do and it bothers me very much.  If anyone could offer some advice it would be much appreciated.  Thank you.
Do yourself a favor and define usurious income before you do anything.

I've been a businessman for 45 years now, and banks are my least expensive source for money. If I partner up with someone I have to pay 50% and put up with them butting into my business, while banks charge me say 8% and leave me to run my business. I would not call that usury, and no one would call the partner taking 50% usury either, as it is normal.

If banks did not loan out money for home purchases, practically no one would own a home. I would not call that usury.

If someone borrows money from a bank to buy luxuries he can't afford, he is a fool, but the bank is no usurious, for their rates are very low.

Credit card company loans are usurious, and anyone that uses credit cards to buy luxuries is a fool.