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  • Martin Sheen stars in this short but prophetic 1973 movie called “The Conflict” or “Catholics" that takes place “After Vatican IV” on a nearly-uninhabited Irish island that has monks still offering the Traditional Latin Mass. Because they're attracting worshippers from all over the world, Rome sends a yoga-style priest (Martin) who arrives to shut it all down. “The Conflict” is an avant-garde—even prophetic for 1973—must-watch not only for lovers of the Traditional Latin Mass, but for anyone who struggles with maintaining obedience to a corrupt hierarchy finally tampering with the unchangeable Divine Revelation of Catholic dogma.
    Fr. Matthew: "May I ask then, Fr. Abbott, what is your decision about the continuance of the Latin Mass on the island?"
    Fr. Abbott: "I have been informed by Rome that the Mass is to be regarded as a symbolic ritual.


    It's on youtube, very interesting.


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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2018, 06:52:13 AM »
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  • Link to trailer



    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2018, 07:23:32 AM »
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    Very good recommendation. I had to watch this several times. It's been about a decade now, so it's time to watch it again.
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    Keep in mind that the representative from Rome comes to this remote monastery to break it up into bite-sized pieces,
    in the name of progress, of course.
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    ALL of these good monks have a 6th sense about the visitor -- they all know that he's up to no good, that is, all except their Superior, who doesn't seem to know what to do about any of it.
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    The fact that the visitor refused to eat any of the Irish soda bread gave me a big nudge, the first time I saw it.
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    The photography is great and the old monastery makes one wish he could be an Irish monk 200 years ago.
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    The Father superior of this monastery is the weak link, and it only become clear at the very end, in the last scene.
    All through the movie you're led to believe he has some kind of inner conflict but you can't put your finger on it.
    But they do give clues --  there's one in the trailer you post above.
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    I am reminded of what +W says about talking to Bp. Fellay. Everything everyone says to him he smiles and nods.
    He has nothing but good feelings for everyone, but you can't tell what he's thinking.
    And it does no good to tell him things, like the Irish monk tells the visitor in this trailer above.
    You can tell him all sorts of things and he'll appear to listen, but in fact, he does not hear you.
    Your words go in one ear and out the other, for he is a Modernist and nothing will sway him from his agenda!
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    Think about that while you watch it again.
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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #3 on: July 25, 2018, 12:04:00 PM »
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  • can't help thinking the author/script-writer was trying to aware catholics after vatican II

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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #4 on: July 25, 2018, 03:41:55 PM »
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  • Interesting that Martin Sheen was (and still is?) a big time NO liberal Catholic while his son Charlie -- I won't even go there.


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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018, 05:09:54 PM »
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  • Interesting that Martin Sheen was (and still is?) a big time NO liberal Catholic while his son Charlie -- I won't even go there.

    Yeah, Charlie really fell off the wagon, didn't he?

    Martin, ironically, took on his screen name "Sheen" after Archbishop Sheen.  When young, the local Catholic church helped keep his family together, and he borrowed money from a priest to go to New York for acting when his father disapproved.

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    Re: Interesting Movie- The conflict - on youtube- Prophetic of today
    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2018, 08:07:00 PM »
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  • can't help thinking the author/script-writer was trying to aware catholics after vatican II

    Agreed. I've often pondered the intentions behind this film too?

    It was absolutely prophetic the way it depicted the modernist takeover tactics of religious orders.

    "Get the top man and the rest of the Order will follow"

    This was the way the Jesuits fell and the other orders... all the way to the SSPX.

    The Jєω producer, Jack Gold, used his script to "telegraph" to us how they'd overturn the Church.
     

               Jack Gold with John Hurt, right, making The Naked Civil Servant (1975)

    Here's his bio Jack Gold
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi