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Title: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: MaterDominici on October 16, 2017, 09:41:22 PM
I found the combination of circuмstances in this report to be more interesting than the usual possible apparition. Has anyone read anything else about this?

In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine

Kochi, India, Oct 14, 2017 / 04:01 pm (CNA/EWTN News (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/)).- Both Hindu and Catholic schoolchildren in India claim to have witnessed an apparition of Christ and several appearances of the Virgin Mary accompanied by the scent of jasmine, the gift of contrition, and the healing of a girl’s ear problem.
The site of the alleged apparitions is St. Ambrose Church and Lower Primary School in Edavanakkad, in the far southwestern state of Kerala, 16 miles northwest of Kochi. The parish and adjacent school are under the Archdiocese of Verapoly. The Marian apparitions are said to have happened on at least two separate dates.
The church’s assistant pastor Father Merton D’Silva said archdiocesan authorities have taken a “wait-and-see” approach before intervening, the news site Matters India reports (http://mattersindia.com/2017/10/alleged-marian-apparitions-draw-hundreds-to-kerala-church/). Matters India has recounted the apparitions based on a note on the parish billboard by parish priest Father Mathew D’Cunha.

The apparition reportedly began Sept. 28 when a student at the school, a Hindu girl named Krishnaveda, went to the church to pray for her ear problem. She put some holy water on her ear. She later told her fellow students that the holy water immediately helped her ear.
When the children left the school to pray in the church, they looked up and saw in the sky a vision of Christ being scourged. They recited the name of Jesus and went into the church to thank God for healing the girl’s ear.
The only Catholic girl among them, Ambrosiya, volunteered to lead the students in praying the rosary. However she did not know the Luminous Mysteries recited on Thursday and sought a teacher’s help. The children were in prayer when the teacher reached them at about 1:45 in the afternoon.
One of the girls, named Anusree, told the teacher that the Blessed Virgin was standing under the altar. They reported the smell of jasmine flower. The alleged apparition told the children to come closer, which frightened a girl named Sivanya, who said she wanted to leave.
While the teacher was leading the children out of the church, the girls said the apparition followed them and pleaded with them not to leave. The teacher went to tell the other teachers, while some children went to the assistant pastor, Father D’Silva.
When D’Silva took the children back to the church so they could pray, the children claimed to see the Virgin Mary standing under the altar. The adults could not see anything.
According to the children, the apparition promised them help in their studies and promised to send them the Holy Spirit. The apparition also promised to take them to heaven.

When the news of the apparition spread, people began to gather at the church. Parents of the children took them home.
On Oct. 3 a large crowd prayed the rosary in the church with the reputed visionaries. After a time, everyone perceived the scent of jasmine flowers. The children said they saw the Virgin Mary again.
A priest asked the children to point out the exact spot. The congregation saw a bright light and the priest said he felt someone patting his head.
Many in the congregation said they received the gift of contrition as they prayed.
The church had planned a night vigil on Oct. 12.
Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: Maria Regina on October 16, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
The priest felt someone patting his head?

The Virgin Mary stood UNDER the altar? What was she wearing? How was she dressed?

NOTE: Satan can appear as an angel of light.

Is this the Novus Ordo church? Use of the Luminous Mysteries is a product of JP II.

Color me very skeptical.
Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: Marlelar on October 18, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
I agree, lots of red flags here.  1.  non-Catholic school children see the apparition, 2. smell of jasmine (not roses), 3. apparition pleading with them (!), 4. apparition promised to take them to heaven (!!).

Sounds more than a little suspicious.  The children may very well have seen something, but I doubt it was the BVM.
Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: graceseeker on October 21, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
I found the combination of circuмstances in this report to be more interesting than the usual possible apparition. Has anyone read anything else about this?

In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine

I hope the makers of Little Trees is reading this. It is hard to find the Jasmine fragrance in LTs these days
my favorite, always has been.... :-X
Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: Merry on October 21, 2017, 07:06:15 PM
This "Virgin Mary" wasn't a Catholic.
Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 21, 2017, 08:54:42 PM
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Seems to me Sivanya had the right idea. 
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The alleged apparition told the children to come closer, which frightened a girl named Sivanya, who said she wanted to leave.
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Apparitions of Our Lady do not "follow" girls who are trying to leave.
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While the teacher was leading the children out of the church, the girls said the apparition followed them and pleaded with them not to leave.
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Maybe the children won't have to do their homework now since the apparition is helping them. But any real vision of Our Lady wouldn't presume to take the place of Confirmation. And promises to take them to heaven handed out like party favors? Hmmm...
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According to the children, the apparition promised them help in their studies and promised to send them the Holy Spirit. The apparition also promised to take them to heaven.
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What if helping them with studies is to possess them, and what if the "Holy Spirit" is really an unholy spirit? Then taking them to "heaven" -- well, it depends on what you mean by "heaven," doesn't it?
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Title: Re: In India, schoolkids say Virgin Mary appeared amid scent of jasmine
Post by: ultrarigorist on October 22, 2017, 07:47:17 AM
"Luminous" Mysteries?

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