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Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Disputaciones on February 20, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
I wonder if this would be immoral to do, what with all the cult of the body and immodesty inherent in fitness today.

I could personally be clothed modestly in public if I were to exercise in public (which I never do), but if you were to own a gym, you wouldn't be able to impose the public to only dress modestly, and coaching people seems problematic too.

I wonder if you could just put these things on the side and not worry about it, since exercising and coaching people are not inherently evil and what anyone does is their own business.
Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Capt McQuigg on February 26, 2017, 02:56:27 PM
Good point.

How do you operate a gym without implicitly encouraging lust?  Women go to gyms to strut their stuff.  They wear outfits that leave nothing to the imagination.

So yes, it would be very close to being immoral.  Unless you specifically advertised as a Catholic fitness center and sold modest gym attire on site for those who needed them.

There's no telling what else goes on at a gym.  Maybe those strutting young females arn't just showing off but are prostitutes advertising their wares?  It's possible.  I have seen a couple different true crime shows where a gym trainer was hired to commit a murder, so morality isn't developed alongside the muscles.
Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: MarylandTrad on February 27, 2017, 08:08:14 PM
Based on what Pius XI wrote on coeducation, I certainly think that he would condemn coed gyms:

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11RAPPR.HTM
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68. False also and harmful to Christian education is the so-called method of "coeducation." This too, by many of its supporters, is founded upon naturalism and the denial of original sin...These principles, with due regard to time and place, must, in accordance with Christian prudence, be applied to all schools, particularly in the most delicate and decisive period of formation, that, namely, of adolescence; and in gymnastic exercises and deportment, special care must be had of Christian modesty in young women and girls, which is so gravely impaired by any kind of exhibition in public.
Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Matto on February 27, 2017, 08:11:47 PM
I would say it is immoral to own a co-ed gym. If there are gyms I believe they should be segregated by sex.
Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Tiffany on February 28, 2017, 04:50:56 AM
There are gyms only for ladies.
Title: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Capt McQuigg on March 03, 2017, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Tiffany
There are gyms only for ladies.


Is modesty on display there or are the ladies merely tightening up the select group of muscles that men ogle?  
Title: Re: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: SanMateo on March 21, 2017, 06:43:51 AM
Before I "reverted" to the Catholic Faith (grew up typical, lax Novus Ordo), I was a personal fitness trainer.  It was very problematic in many ways.  
Title: Re: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Incredulous on March 22, 2017, 12:41:28 AM

You can avoid the immodesty by going only to the dog gyms.

(http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dogs.jpg)
It's a little noisy, but you get used to it.
Title: Re: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Cato on March 24, 2017, 01:09:58 AM
Gyms are one of the least immoral places to own.  People generally don't go to gyms to make fornication dates.  My experience is that people rush to the gym to fit a work out into a busy schedule. People don't intentionally dress immodestly, either.  Perhaps that is the case by traditional catholic standards, but by society's standards, no.  Exercise and a healthy diet is a positive thing.  "Cult of the body" is far removed from a healthy lifestyle.

If you owned a gym, you can set the tone by having a dress code for your employees - no skin tight clothes.  Successful gyms are often segregated by sex, too.  Women often want to work out without the pressure of men around.  Men often have different exercise needs and desires such as free weights and less cardio.

If you want to see an immoral place, try a public school or college.  Shopping malls are also chock full of scandal. 
Title: Re: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Croix de Fer on March 25, 2017, 05:42:21 AM
Simply have a dress code and enforce it. Have a good attorney draft up a constitution requiring a modest dress code in the membership contract which will be signed by patrons. This way, you can't be sued for "discrimination".
Title: Re: Immoral to own a Gym today?
Post by: Incredulous on March 25, 2017, 09:47:29 AM
(https://www.doyouyoga.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Men-In-Yoga-Pants-Because-Yoga-Is-For-EVERYONE-733x440.jpg)
Trad Gyms definitely need a dress code... and no fat Yids allowed!