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Offline Caraffa

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Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2009, 09:46:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Well, I think it is extreme to say one should not look a woman in the eyes.

    I understand it why it concerns the priest.  And there is truth to warning about it.  But that is rigorism to say one should not look in the eyes a girl one is courting.

    I understand what the priest is getting at though.  Yes, it's good advice, but easy to take badly.

    Agreed, there are other parts of the body which are which are larger occasions of sin than the eyes or face. The idea that kissing before marriage (i.e. on the lips, making out, French kissing) was only venial sinful as long as one had no intent to fornicate was condemned by Pope Alexander VII. I recall coming across a passage from St. Alphonsus that also talks about. And neither of these men were anywhere near Jansenism
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    « Reply #16 on: September 28, 2009, 07:24:13 AM »
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  • Grr I had typed out a long reply and my computer crashed!

    Basic upshot: Excellent sermon, Fr. is not being Jancenistic, he is simply being brutally honest about human nature, and if people have a problem with what he's saying, then they are deceiving themselves in that regard. Kissing is an occasion of sin, being alone together (I mean totally alone, like in a car etc) is an occasion of sin, dating is not a recreational activity to be enjoyed even without any intention or means of getting married. Can you imagine a holy couple such as St. Therese of the Child Jesus's parents trying to push the boundaries during courtship? Never!

    Your concern for the soul of your boy/girlfriend's soul should come first, every time, and courting does NOT give you an automatic right to put yourself and them in the occasions of sin.

    The thing about looking in someone's eyes was not said in the way the FE posters made it sound- Fr. was talking about staring into each other's eyes for ages, and it sounded a little tongue-in-cheek when he said it (he was refering to older books, btw, not something he invented). Fr. didn't say you should avoid all eye contact like some kind of nut!

    Bottom line: Great sermon, and much food for thought, practical advice,and doubtless to be unpopular with those who would rather not accept that human nature is frail and we are easily tempted to sins of impurity.

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    « Reply #17 on: September 30, 2009, 11:12:14 PM »
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  • A wonderful, and inspirational sermon.


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