[bben15]

[SJB]

There are too many sedevacantists and radical SSPX Catholics on here. I can't handle it. I can't delete my account, so I just have to leave. If you want to contact me, I'm on CAF and FishEaters.

No need to announce it, just leave.

[2Vermont]

There are too many sedevacantists and radical SSPX Catholics on here. I can't handle it. I can't delete my account, so I just have to leave. If you want to contact me, I'm on CAF and FishEaters.

Thank you for confirming what I have come to believe:  CAF and FE are made from the same mold.

[Mabel]

Too bad, this is a really good forum for learning and asking questions.

Maybe you will be back when you get a better handle on the crisis.

[Nadir]

 :geezer: Aw! I just gave you a nice welcome! We made you uncomfortable? The Church is not (just) for comfort you know. Yes, the real world is a harsh place. You'll be back though!

[2Vermont]

To be fair, if I were a new convert to the VII Church and 15 years old, you guys would scare me away too.     :scared2:

[OHCA]

I can only suppose this PM exchange had something to do with it as my response to his query was 32 mins before he announced that he's leaving.

Hello. :) What changes in the church, besides the Mass, are you referring to? As to my knowledge, doctrine has not changed.

P.S., the Baltimore Catechism is good, but I definitely prefer the Catechism of St. Pius X! :)

Ecuмenism is so hyped up that Catholics are misguided into thinking it is ok to attend protestant services.  Some Catholics are so misguided by this idea to believe that attending at a protestant church is as good as attending Mass.  This confusion is coming from the highest points in the Catholic hierarchy.  This is a change from the way things were pre-Vat II.

Pre-Vat II, the Assissi fiascos would have been outrightly condemned as heresy, as would have a pope kissing the koran and accepting a pagan blessing, as JPII did.

Pre-Vat II, Catholics fasted all days of Lent except Sundays, fasted before several of the feast days, beginnings of seasons, etc.  Now only 2 days per year are required fast days.  This seemingly denies/ignores our sinful nature for which fasting is something of atonement.  Now the idea is that man isn't all the bad and an implicit statement that not many people go to hell.  Again--all different than pre-Vat II.  This cause Catholics to not take their faith and their sins seriously and leads souls to hell rather than shepherding them to Heaven.  JPII & Francis seem more interested in their rock star personas than shepherding souls to Heaven.  Inclusivity means a bigger fan base, thus Francis says "who am I to judge."

So this earns me the sede/radical SSPXer label,huh?  LoL

[2Vermont]

I can only suppose this PM exchange had something to do with it as my response to his query was 32 mins before he announced that he's leaving.

Hello. :) What changes in the church, besides the Mass, are you referring to? As to my knowledge, doctrine has not changed.

P.S., the Baltimore Catechism is good, but I definitely prefer the Catechism of St. Pius X! :)

Ecuмenism is so hyped up that Catholics are misguided into thinking it is ok to attend protestant services.  Some Catholics are so misguided by this idea to believe that attending at a protestant church is as good as attending Mass.  This confusion is coming from the highest points in the Catholic hierarchy.  This is a change from the way things were pre-Vat II.

Pre-Vat II, the Assissi fiascos would have been outrightly condemned as heresy, as would have a pope kissing the koran and accepting a pagan blessing, as JPII did.

Pre-Vat II, Catholics fasted all days of Lent except Sundays, fasted before several of the feast days, beginnings of seasons, etc.  Now only 2 days per year are required fast days.  This seemingly denies/ignores our sinful nature for which fasting is something of atonement.  Now the idea is that man isn't all the bad and an implicit statement that not many people go to hell.  Again--all different than pre-Vat II.  This cause Catholics to not take their faith and their sins seriously and leads souls to hell rather than shepherding them to Heaven.  JPII & Francis seem more interested in their rock star personas than shepherding souls to Heaven.  Inclusivity means a bigger fan base, thus Francis says "who am I to judge."

So this earns me the sede/radical SSPXer label,huh?  LoL

LOL.  It's a lot to swallow. Let's face it.  Most of us came to these things over time and quite a bit of kicking and screaming.  Poor kid.  We should pray for him.

[Meg]

I hope that you come back, Ben. It might be a good idea to take a break. But after dealing with the anti-traditional folks on CAF (I got fed up with them - I used to post there a lot) and the faux-trads on FE, you may want to come back.

Folks here aren't perfect, but at least there's no anti-traditionalist nonsense or liberal viewpoints being expounded, as there is on the other forums.

God bless!

[LaramieHirsch]

 :read-paper:

[Sigismund]

To be fair, if I were a new convert to the VII Church and 15 years old, you guys would scare me away too.     :scared2:

Absolutely.  He is 15, folks.  

[Mabel]

When I was 15 I spent a lot of time calling sedevacantists heretics. So, yeah, I ended up eating some humble pie later in life. I can understand where he is coming from.

[icterus]

Well, I can't give any advice on what is right for the OP to do....but as far as forums go neither of those other places offers anything like the free discussion available here.  I'm not a very popular poster on here, but nevertheless I like this place a lot for what it offers.  Best of luck on everything, and be careful at CAF and FE.  Both are weirdly pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ in their own idiosyncratic ways.  That HAS to be worse than being sedevacantist, no matter what one thinks about sedevacantism.  Sodom wasn't burned for sedevacantism!

[SoldierOfChrist]

I hope that you return Ben.  Even if you end up going FSSP instead of SSPX, you'll be a real priest, and a servant of Our Lord.  I imagine that a lot of priests visit this forum and I think reading these posts can do nothing short of broadening one's perspective on the crisis in the Church.

By the way, many, if not most of us, have families who disapprove of our decisions to become traditionalists.  This is a question of discernment, just as is your vocation to the priesthood.  Very different from what motivates other people to convert to a religion.  Conversion to the One True Faith comes from supernatural discernment.  It comes necessarily with sacrifice.  People convert to other religions for all sorts of reasons, but never due to discernment.  We have no earthly motivators to draw us to traditionalism.  It does not help us politically, financially, or socially to do so.  We came here because of the Holy Ghost.  Just so that you understand the difference.  That being said, I'm sure you'll be back.  God bless and good luck with your studies.

[Frances]

 
When I was 15 I went to "get it over with" mass to please my parents, and was too busy studying and working to be concerned with spiritual matters.  More encouragement should have been rendered instead of drawing this youth into taking sides.  Or don't any posters remember being 15?