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  • People have been wrong countless times about "how close" the end is.

    At any rate, the common opinion -- even among the enlightened crowd at CathInfo -- is that we're headed for a Chastisement, not the Last Trump(et).

    Someone has to survive the Chastisement, right? Even if 3/4 of the world perishes, that still leaves 1/4.

    And I don't think any of us here know where those survivors will be. High elevations all over the world? Those who live in rural areas? Those who live away from the coasts? Those who have the grace to know that you shouldn't get vaccinated? Etc.

    In other words, how does anyone know where those survivors will be?

    What if the great battle for re-establishing all things in Christ under the Great Monarch isn't to happen for 50 years, after a Chastisement, renewal, and rapid re-decay?

    In that case, it's the kids we're having (or NOT having, as the case may be) today that will be filling the ranks of the Great Monarch.

    In general, I like to distinguish between

    A) Survivalists -- those who STOP LIVING so they can ESCAPE DEATH, but they might as well be dead for how they "live" on a day to day basis. Every waking minute is spent in some activity which will increase their chances of survival. Studying military tactics, practicing marksmanship and plotting defense strategies at their "survival retreat", planning how they will kill intruders, etc.

    B) The Prudent -- those who understand the fragile nature of our modern world, and prudently take action to prepare. A bit of extra food, not trusting the Stock Market, keeping their debts low, learning some always-useful skills, etc. These things don't dominate your life or ruin it. Such individuals can still have families, spend time with their spouse and children, etc.

    Remember what St. Paul said to the early Christians who thought the AntiChrist was imminent -- they were quitting their jobs, cashing in their 401Ks, etc. He had to straighten them out.

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    If you KNOW a Chastisement is coming, should you stay single?
    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2011, 10:34:13 PM »
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  • Here is St. Paul (2 Thess, Chapter 2)

    The day of the Lord is not to come till the man of sin be revealed. The apostle's traditions are to be observed.

    [1] And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him: [2] That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, [4] Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. [5] Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    [3] "A revolt"... This revolt, or falling off, is generally understood, by the ancient fathers, of a revolt from the Roman empire, which was first to be destroyed, before the coming of Antichrist. It may, perhaps, be understood also of a revolt of many nations from the Catholic Church; which has, in part, happened already, by means of Mahomet, Luther, &c., and it may be supposed, will be more general in the days of the Antichrist.

    [3] "The man of sin"... Here must be meant some particular man, as is evident from the frequent repetition of the Greek article: 'the man of sin, 'the son of perdition, 'the adversary or opposer. It agrees to the wicked and great Antichrist, who will come before the end of the world.

    [4] "In the temple"... Either that of Jerusalem which some think he will rebuild; or in some Christian church, which he will pervert to his own worship: as Mahomet has done by the churches of the east.

    [6] And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, [9] Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, [10] And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

    [10] "God shall send"... That is God shall suffer them to be deceived by lying wonders, and false miracles, in punishment of their not entertaining the love of truth.

    [11] That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. [12] But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: [13] Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. [15] Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,

    [14] "Traditions"... See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.

    [16] Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.
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    If you KNOW a Chastisement is coming, should you stay single?
    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 04:15:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    B) The Prudent -- those who understand the fragile nature of our modern world, and prudently take action to prepare. A bit of extra food, not trusting the Stock Market, keeping their debts low, learning some always-useful skills, etc. These things don't dominate your life or ruin it. Such individuals can still have families, spend time with their spouse and children, etc.

    Remember what St. Paul said to the early Christians who thought the AntiChrist was imminent -- they were quitting their jobs, cashing in their 401Ks, etc. He had to straighten them out.

    Matthew


    Matthew,  B sounds good to me.  I have often thought of this subject beginning in my teen years (many many years ago).  At that time, I wondered if it was responsible to get married and bring children into the world.  I asked a priest whom I trusted about it because I kept thinking "What if I have children and then they end up losing their souls due to the depravity of the world and the many temptations that they will face".   After all these years I don't remember exactly what he said but he put my mind at ease and I was left with the assurance that it would be God's Will for me to seek a holy marriage and have children and then do my best to raise them well in the Faith.  The last part has been the hardest and that's the part that isn't yet finished.

    But now that it seems that the temptations in the world have increased exponentially (when I got married, we only needed to worry about the TV, not computers and video games) and so I sympathize with the singles nowadays as they have much more reason to worry than I did.   I'm not completely sure what to tell them if they are not already married, but I am still hoping for more grand kids!
     

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    If you KNOW a Chastisement is coming, should you stay single?
    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 05:24:18 PM »
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  • A friend with a new baby was visited by her mother and her mother's best friend, who said "How can you bring a new baby into the world at a time like this?" The new mother was terribly depressed for several weeks.

    The new mother is now in her 70s.

    True story; she is my friend.
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    If you KNOW a Chastisement is coming, should you stay single?
    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 06:17:11 PM »
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  • I dont know about anyone else, but I for one will not stop living my life because of a fear of impending doom that may or may not happen. " But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone." So waiting or trying to show that The End is near or the Chastisement etc is fruitless for me. I can acknowledge that the world is in a horrible state, and we are so far removed from God. And thats good to realize, but wether the world is coming to an end anytime soon, while it may be true, serves me no good. Just my 2 Cents


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    If you KNOW a Chastisement is coming, should you stay single?
    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 08:33:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew

    What if the great battle for re-establishing all things in Christ under the Great Monarch isn't to happen for 50 years, after a Chastisement, renewal, and rapid re-decay?

    In that case, it's the kids we're having (or NOT having, as the case may be) today that will be filling the ranks of the Great Monarch.

    ....

    A) Survivalists -- those who STOP LIVING so they can ESCAPE DEATH, but they might as well be dead for how they "live" on a day to day basis. Every waking minute is spent in some activity which will increase their chances of survival. Studying military tactics, practicing marksmanship and plotting defense strategies at their "survival retreat", planning how they will kill intruders, etc.



    Well what's the point of waiting for the Great Monarch if your not going to get any practice?!  :facepalm:

    *I read your post clearly. I just thought I'd say...*  :wink:

    Nobody should make survivalism/preparedness their new full time job (unless they're unemployed). It's not like rounds are free or easily homemade!

    Preparedness training (or tactical for that matter) isn't something you dedicate your whole life to. It's something you practice and cultivate over time, bit by bit. It's something that should be approached like saving pocket change. You learn a little here and there, practice every once in a while, store a little bit here and there, and before you know it, after so many days you will find that your ready for most of whatever it is that life decides to throw at you.


    But FWIW, there are thousands of Japanese who are starving right now because they were not individually prepared for situations like the tsunami. They could only take whatever they could pick up and run with at a moments notice. YOUR time to run is going to vary depending on your situation. But whatever the case, weather at home or shipped abroad, making various provisions for yourself and your family NOW means that there are going to be one or several people LESS in the breadline later on. Having seen what happened in hurricanes Ike and Katrina, and having to evacuate at that time myself, and having to help clean up some of the mess, I know how true this is.

    EDIT: I just finished re-reading the title of the thread. I forgot what exactly we were talking about.  :facepalm:

    As for getting married and having kids or not, you dont expect me to build the fortifications, plant crops, process food, hunt the deer, make clothes, and keep guard all night by myself do you?  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 09:14:19 PM »
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  • Yes, we cannot neglect our respective duties of state because of fear, whether substantiated or not. If one neglects to perform one's duties of state and cooperate with the grace of the present moment, then the talk of impending doom is simply gibberish, because the best way to prepare for any future contingency [be it good or evil] is to cooperate with grace and thereby be the best person you can be in whatever state of life Providence has given you.

    Yeah, the mortgage still has to be paid, and the dog needs to be fed, &c. As for getting married, that's another question. I know I will need to be married if it is God's will, and I know it will be God's will when there shall appear a woman in my life that fulfills the prerequisites [traditional Catholic, long-suffering, patient, modest, good mental hygiene, aversion to shopping, &c.] and who consciously consents to the sacramental treaty, with the approval of our Father Confessor. Otherwise, I shall remain cautiously and happily single, come what may.

    An interesting tangent: Venerable Anna Katharina Emmerich wrote that marriage after the Fall was really a "state of penance," in the first volume of the compilation of her famous visions and revelations. Well then, if Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima urged us unto penance, and if marriage is a state of penance, then...
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    « Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 06:58:15 PM »
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  • I don't want to be married because I want to go to France and participate in the rise of the Monarch and the Restoration, if such is God's will ( and I believe it is ).  

    I never said, in case this thread is directed at me, that others shouldn't be married.  I said that Tele shouldn't be married and he should do something with his jobless pointless existence and go to France with me ( or by himself ).  Also, judging by the way he speaks of marriage, my hunch is that it's not really his vocation.  He should do something with his brains.

    I'm trying to recruit people here, you see  :farmer:  It's time to migrate out of the Shire.

    As far as not knowing the day or the hour, I for one never said I did.  What I do know is that the globalized nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr of the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Republics that we're in now is not going to last.  But obviously, if I believe in the Monarch, then I don't believe this is the end.  

    At CMRI, the priests I've talked to do seem to feel this is the end and they probably think of me as a wide-eyed idealist to believe in these prophecies, while others see me as doom-and-gloom.  Oh well.  All I know is, the Monarch is real.
     
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    « Reply #8 on: April 05, 2011, 07:04:20 PM »
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  • Okay, well I did complain that so many were playing Ozzie and Harriet.

    That is because I'm surprised no one is thinking along my lines.  The signs are very clear -- this civilization is crumbling. A new one will take it place.  It will have to be Catholic or the human race will not survive.  All of this has been predicted in the Great Monarch prophecies, including the fall of the Republics.  Take one look at what's going on economically and tell me it's not unfolding before our eyes.

    I just don't get why I am all alone with this desire to be part of the Restoration.  It's extremely odd to me.  I do wish that more guys would stop becoming domesticated and would put themselves forward for bigger things.

    But I never said anything like "Oh, please don't bring babies into this cruel world..."  If you're going to be married, that's what is done.  And yeah, it's true that the Monarch will need soldiers.  They are unlikely to be from America, unfortunately, and I'm pretty sure they will be, for the most part, converted neo-pagans.
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  • Raoul you say, "They are unlikely to be from America", why say that, your from America.  
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    « Reply #10 on: April 05, 2011, 10:08:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Okay, well I did complain that so many were playing Ozzie and Harriet.

    That is because I'm surprised no one is thinking along my lines.  The signs are very clear -- this civilization is crumbling. A new one will take it place.  It will have to be Catholic or the human race will not survive.  All of this has been predicted in the Great Monarch prophecies, including the fall of the Republics.  Take one look at what's going on economically and tell me it's not unfolding before our eyes.

    I just don't get why I am all alone with this desire to be part of the Restoration.  It's extremely odd to me.  I do wish that more guys would stop becoming domesticated and would put themselves forward for bigger things.

    But I never said anything like "Oh, please don't bring babies into this cruel world..."  If you're going to be married, that's what is done.  And yeah, it's true that the Monarch will need soldiers.  They are unlikely to be from America, unfortunately, and I'm pretty sure they will be, for the most part, converted neo-pagans.


    Glad you corrected yourself (line 1 of the quote, above)

    Yes, I think "Ozzie and Harriet" and that last dig against "marriage today" is what inspired this thread.

    It really got me thinking though.

    Anyhow, you seem to think that the Restoration will happen at the hands of Frenchmen in France?  I thought the prophecy just talked about the Great Monarch being French? Aren't you reading a bit more into it that isn't actually in the prophecy? (I'm opening myself up to correction, here, because I could be wrong -- I'd actually like to know)

    Because a contrary view is that America isn't so bad; we are duped, yes, but many of us are ignorant. We never rejected our Catholic culture because we never had one. We're like the Gentiles whereas the French are more like the Jєωs -- they'll convert in the End, but not a  day sooner! They were the Chosen ones, the Eldest Daughter of the Church, and they reject their Catholic patrimony EVERY DAY THEY WAKE UP and look at themselves in the mirror -- with the reflection of medieval churches in the distant background. It's hard to reject Catholicism in a place like France (or Rome), without having to do it constantly and consciously.  The same can't be said for America.

    As a corollary, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ takes on different forms in Europe vs. the United States. They don't have to "tear down" over here, so they seem "nicer". I didn't make up this particular observation; I read it from other men wiser than myself.

    So if you ask me, it's just as likely that France will be decimated. After all, it's closer to Russia and the Third Secret says that Russia will conquer all the way to the Atlantic Ocean.

    Just a contrary viewpoint.

    In short, I don't see one single (even small) reason why God wouldn't want to punish the French just as much, if not more, than America. If anything, the French deserve MORE because of their greater knowledge and consequent guilt.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 11:00:45 PM »
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  • IMO, the US will get it the hardest out of the gate, but France will take the hardest shots before it is all over.  This seems to be what the various prophecies say.

    A possible analogy is found in LOTR, if you know the story.  Rohan gets hit harder at first, but Gondor is where the hammer falls the hardest of all.  Similarly, I think the USA will be hit hardest in the early stages, but Europe, and France in particular, will get hit hardest before things are resolved.

    On the GM, I do not think he is in Europe, nor do I think he will first rise to power in Europe.  I think he may very well come to limited prominence in a place like the US, helping us get our act together after the heavy hits that are coming.  Then, once we are safe, he will lead an army to Europe, annihilating all in his path.  Time will tell, of course.  FWIW, this is what happens with LOTR's Aragorn as he makes his way to the throne of his fathers.  The role he plays in saving Rohan is immense/pivotal.  Then he goes to to the aid of Gondor, where he is eventually crowned king.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2011, 11:59:37 PM »
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  • The only problem is, LoTR isn't prophecy.  Sure, J.R.R. Tolkien was a Catholic and all -- but I don't think he claimed to be a prophet or mystic.

    So, at best, his story might have a finger on the Catholic pulse of history -- the way God has done things in the past, etc.

    But isn't it very, very likely that your opinion on what will happen has been in fact colored by a very engaging work of fiction, namely LoTR? Said fiction is very attractive in many ways, and appeals to the romantic side of certain individuals (including romantics like you, Raoul, and myself)

    But what likelihood is there really that it will go down that way? Just that it has "as much likelihood as any" and that's about as good as we can do?
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    « Reply #13 on: April 06, 2011, 02:39:21 AM »
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  • I am glad you raised this question, Matthew.

    I, for one, do not think people should remain single because they think the world is going to end.  As a matter of fact, it is an amazing thought to me, that when two people marry, together they BOTH become one Soldier of God, and to me, that is most incredible.  It gives me goosebumps, just thinking about it, actually.  

    Procreation is the greatest gift God gives a woman.  It makes her feel complete as a woman and gives her the ability to profoundly contribute to our future.  Serving her Husband and Family also gives her strength and a purpose.

    For men, it is powerful to be the provider and expanding his existence, living for a higher purpose other than he, alone.  He is providing for his family, and this gives him a sense of profound reason, pride and much integrity.  There is a sense of direction, as well.

    It is my opinion, people should not remain single simply for the sake that they feel the world is going to end.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 06, 2011, 05:28:13 AM »
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    I am glad you raised this question, Matthew.

    I, for one, do not think people should remain single because they think the world is going to end.  As a matter of fact, it is an amazing thought to me, that when two people marry, together they BOTH become one Soldier of God, and to me, that is most incredible.  It gives me goosebumps, just thinking about it, actually.  

    Procreation is the greatest gift God gives a woman.  It makes her feel complete as a woman and gives her the ability to profoundly contribute to our future.  Serving her Husband and Family also gives her strength and a purpose.

    For men, it is powerful to be the provider and expanding his existence, living for a higher purpose other than he, alone.  He is providing for his family, and this gives him a sense of profound reason, pride and much integrity.  There is a sense of direction, as well.

    It is my opinion, people should not remain single simply for the sake that they feel the world is going to end.


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