I was at a Trad chapel where one of the parishioners committed ѕυιcιdє. She was on some trip with her boyfriend (was the trip voluntary or involuntary? I don't remember all the details) But she shot herself with a gun. She was a regular parishioner of that chapel (even if she lived a bit far away, and wasn't there *every* week)

I also know of a Trad Catholic who was very pious as a young man -- I mean extremely pious, dedicated to Padre Pio, prayed more than anyone around him -- married a Novus Ordo woman in the Catholic Church, had 2 kids (one of them 2 months after the wedding), and is now "dating" a woman he was friends with. I noticed on his Facebook page that his current flame was quite familiar with him even at the time of his wedding! She was ribbing him like an old friend might. He doesn't say what happened to his wife, but he's not exactly a "scrub my FB page" sort. He also waited 6+ months to have one of his children baptized.

Another Trad young man had an affair (all the way to adultery) with a fellow Trad, who was a married woman with a bunch of children.

I know of a Trad family in which the dad was very southern (mutton chop sideburns and all) -- one of their relatives came to Mass once, and we were shocked to see a nαzι swastika on her forehead.

I know of an older lady who was taught all about the cօռspιʀαcιҽs (Jєωs, evil public schools, wicked U.S. presidents, etc.) and she was objectively quite well informed -- but she was always drinking (or smelling of) vodka and one day she fell down the stairs and died.

I also know of another Trad, a woman, who was married in the Church to a non-Catholic, had 4 children, then ran away from her home, into the arms of a jobless, homeless non-Catholic man, where she has remained until the present day. She had another 2 children with him.

Also, it's a fact that there are several meth labs in the small town of St. Mary's, KS.

A friend in St. Mary's KS told me how his fellow parishioners often "open up" to him, since he is a gregarious and outgoing personality. They take him for "one of themselves" since he seems to be so much fun. What they don't know is that he's also a devout and serious Catholic. So after the "straight arrows" leave the party, they open up to him about what they'd like to do next at the party. Let's just say the suggestions were quite scandalous.

He also said that, in general, people keep to themselves in St. Mary's, because they are afraid of what they might find out about their fellow trads. So they prefer to keep the illusion alive that "we're all a bunch of saintly trads in our trad Disneyland".

Even priests are not exempt. Since priests are more rare, it's hard to give examples without giving away who it is. But I know of a priest who was completely traditional, got himself consecrated bishop, and then had a knack for ordaining or wanting to ordain A) the wrong people and B) married men.

I'm sure there are many other examples.

Long story short - the miseries of Trads are not all that different from the miseries of humanity at large. Going to Mass once a week on Sunday to hear the Tridentine Mass in a dead language doesn't transform a person to avoid all the problems his upbringing, environment, and free will might otherwise bring upon him.

Never let yourself think that Trads are somehow "special" or exempt from the laws of nature.


And my other point: WATCH and PRAY. Watch yourself. The battle isn't over until you're safely in heaven (or purgatory).

Such tragic tales. :sad:

I did not notice it early on as much if at all when I first became a traditionalist, but the fervor and conviction is indeed lacking even among traditionalists. It is a dead giveaway if the party in question lives, talks, and thinks like the rest of the world. Even I must admit that I have failed too often in that regard. What pains me most is the fact that traditionalists are not all on the same page in principle and in their thinking.

We ALL need to be not-PC and keep respect for human nature.

 I know of a Trad family which was a bit TOO southern -- one of their relatives came to Mass once, and we were shocked to see a nαzι swastika on her forehead.

I am from the old south also and we consider the swastika to be insulting.

When I first became a traditional Catholic I was a bit blinded by my idealism.  I believed that traditional Catholics were so holy that they had wonderful families and wonderful lives.  I was embarrassed that my own family didn't match up to theirs.


Then I became friends with many people.  We share Rosary requests.  We weep together.  

Out of wedlock children.  Yep.

Drugs.  Yep.

Serious gambling problems.  Yep.

Infidelity.  Yep.

Then I realized that we are all human and subject to the same temptations as everyone else.

It is so hard to live in this world!  

I try to hear the Mass daily, the Low Mass on weekdays, when I can, so hopefully not just weekly, but a Traditionalist is in no way immune to what afflicts society and the rest of humanity.

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When I first became a traditional Catholic I was a bit blinded by my idealism.  I believed that traditional Catholics were so holy that they had wonderful families and wonderful lives.  I was embarrassed that my own family didn't match up to theirs

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Such tragic tales. :sad:

I did not notice it early on as much if at all when I first became a traditionalist, but the fervor and conviction is indeed lacking even among traditionalists. It is a dead giveaway if the party in question lives, talks, and thinks like the rest of the world. Even I must admit that I have failed too often in that regard. What pains me most is the fact that traditionalists are not all on the same page in principle and in their thinking.

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He also said that, in general, people keep to themselves in St. Mary's, because they are afraid of what they might find out about their fellow trads. So they prefer to keep the illusion alive that "we're all a bunch of saintly trads in our trad Disneyland".

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Long story short - the miseries of Trads are not all that different from the miseries of humanity at large. Going to Mass once a week on Sunday to hear the Tridentine Mass in a dead language doesn't transform a person to avoid all the problems his upbringing, environment, and free will might otherwise bring upon him.

Never let yourself think that Trads are somehow "special" or exempt from the laws of nature.

With all respect to the owner of the site and you all, this is the danger of schismatic Traditionalism: all schismatics consider themselves some kind of remnant or special selected group and this gives them a certain pride. The schismatic will have to, 1. constantly look into scandals in the Catholic Church in order to justify to himself his separation from the Church*, 2. ignore the scandals in his own sect to some degree to justify to himself his adherence to the sect. This means taking the delight in the sins of others on one hand, and covering up one's own sin on the other. Pharisee spirit.

I don't quite understand the opposition to the SSPX joining with Rome on this site. How can union with Rome ever sound bad to the ears of a Catholic? The reunion would precisely bring this spirit of health to the Society because they would finally be able to see themselves as one society among many in the Church with a special mission to preserve ancient liturgy / pre-Conciliar pastoral approach, rather than as the Last Church Remnant Of The End Times.

I don't say this to scandalize any of you, but in a way the SSPX is a scandal to all those in union with Rome who would like to see the Tridentine Mass celebrated in the Church, because the SSPX makes many in the Church identify "Tridentine Mass" with "Disobedient radical traditionalists". That is the scandal.

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* the sedevacantist operation Novus Ordo Watch is almost entirely based on reporting scandal; the Dimond Bros. have relied a lot on scandalous sensationalism too

Isn't it scandalous to hang out with a bunch of schismatics?  Why are you here still if this is how you view all of us?

If it wasn't for the SSPX, there wouldn't be any Tridentine Mass in any diocese.  There wouldn't be any Summorum  Pontificuм.  

The SSPX never left the Church.   The SSPX has roots of tradition going back to Archbishop Lefebvre ( Holy Ghost Fathers).  The SSPX was created because of Vatican II.  After 1988, the Church hierarchy shunned Archbishop Lefebvre when they should have been excommunicating the true heretics and schismatics.  

The real schismatics, heretics, perverts, liars and thieves are within the Church.  

However, there are holy clergy and laity too.  



My goal is to make reparations for my sins .....