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Offline Nadir

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Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2023, 03:40:29 PM »
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  • Agreed.  My husband was 40. 
    My husband was 41 and I was 35. 
    My pre-marriage years were not wasted. Indeed they were fruitful. 
    The timing was perfect because God planned it that way.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #31 on: December 29, 2023, 03:54:26 PM »
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  • Nothing to do with buying a house. A man not married at 30  yet is not extreme... at all.
    Well, thanks for elaborating. ::) I don't think it's extreme to GET married at 30, or even much later, but I do think it's extreme to tell young men that thinking they might marry before then is impractical at best. We have friends that currently live in a small travel trailer with 3 young children. But, they own their land and "house", are making progress toward their real home, and couldn't be happier. Were they foolish to get married?


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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #32 on: December 29, 2023, 04:48:27 PM »
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  • Well, thanks for elaborating. ::) I don't think it's extreme to GET married at 30, or even much later, but I do think it's extreme to tell young men that thinking they might marry before then is impractical at best. We have friends that currently live in a small travel trailer with 3 young children. But, they own their land and "house", are making progress toward their real home, and couldn't be happier. Were they foolish to get married?
    No, they are not foolish at all. I'm saying that's not a common scenario most people have. 

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #33 on: December 29, 2023, 04:49:40 PM »
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  • Well, thanks for elaborating. ::) I don't think it's extreme to GET married at 30, or even much later, but I do think it's extreme to tell young men that thinking they might marry before then is impractical at best. We have friends that currently live in a small travel trailer with 3 young children. But, they own their land and "house", are making progress toward their real home, and couldn't be happier. Were they foolish to get married?

    Yes, I hold that was foolish for those friends to get married, but then we all do foolish things ... without knowing more than what you said (since there are always exceptional circuмstances).  It is what it is and God uses our foolishness to ultimately do his will.  Nobody's saying they can't get married, but the smart thing to do is for a man to get established first and then get married.  There's a difference between knowing God will provide and presumption about it.  Otherwise, heck, I'll get married and start a family while flipping burgers at McDonald's ... because, after all, God will provide.  All things being equal, men should build up some financial security and independence before embarking on marriage and not presume upon God to just "provide".  If some are living paycheck to paycheck and then some situation comes along where, say, they're required to take the jab in order to keep their job, that makes it even more difficult for them to do the right thing, since they'd be compromising the livelihood of their entire family.  If you're relatively independent, however, you can just walk and do the right thing.

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #34 on: December 29, 2023, 04:51:54 PM »
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  • :jester::laugh2::laugh1::jester: According to this formula, I should be looking for a man who is about 120-130 years of age!  


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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #35 on: December 29, 2023, 04:54:18 PM »
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  • :jester::laugh2::laugh1::jester: According to this formula, I should be looking for a man who is about 120-130 years of age! 

    There are probably one or two out there. :laugh1:  I doubt they're Traditional Catholic though.

    EDIT:  Check that.  I looked it up and the current oldest man alive is 114, so you're out of luck. Or, rather, "luck".

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #36 on: December 29, 2023, 05:07:47 PM »
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  • There are probably one or two out there. :laugh1:  I doubt they're Traditional Catholic though.

    EDIT:  Check that.  I looked it up and the current oldest man alive is 114, so you're out of luck. Or, rather, "luck".
    This 114 year old, is he married?  I’d he Catholic?  Is he rich and desiring to leave all his wealth to a (relatively) youthful wife?  If yes, put me in touch!  A Jacobite marriage suits me just fine!  

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #37 on: December 29, 2023, 06:10:22 PM »
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  • Are women/the womens family still expected to pay the dowry?


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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #38 on: December 29, 2023, 06:16:05 PM »
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  • Are women/the womens family still expected to pay the dowry?
    I have never known that to happen, but it is usual for the bride's parents to provide the wedding reception. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #39 on: December 29, 2023, 08:01:39 PM »
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  • While I think the 1/2 + 7 principle is practical, I wouldn’t use it as a rule.

    There’s nothing wrong with a couple of 18 year olds getting married as long as they are mature, frugal, and willing to muck their way through. I know a lot of people in my community that got married right out of high school and do alright. Granted, many of them are farmers and the husband has been working for their family since they could walk basically.

    I know homeschool families around here where their teenage sons will do their studies in the evening and hold down a full time job during the day. One of them I know is 16 and is already graduated with a healthy little nest egg he’s been building for a couple years.

    Both my husband and I came from blue collar backgrounds. Both of our parents started off dirt poor. My husband has always been blue-collar. He doesn’t get paid a lot compared to most bread winners. He figured he would never get married because of this. Most women are vain and expect a certain amount of pampering as the norm. By doing so they overlook some really good Catholic men.

    We have 3 daughters and 1 on the way. Our goal is to raise them in a way that they are frugal and useful to their husbands with every skill they will need to hold down a home on a limited budget and to do it with great love and joy. Cooking, sewing, gardening, preserving, budgeting, etc. I love and greatly admire my husband who works with his hands and who can build and fix most anything. He doesn’t make a lot of money but we also don’t need as much money because we do things ourselves. We don’t want to limit our daughters to the big earners, who, to be rather frank can often be quite dull in personality and lacking in character and admirable qualities. Our hopes are that they would be suitable partners to the humble farm boy who works hard by the sweat of his brow and is earnest in his faith and duties.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #40 on: December 29, 2023, 08:44:56 PM »
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  • My husband was 41 and I was 35.
    My pre-marriage years were not wasted. Indeed they were fruitful.
    The timing was perfect because God planned it that way.
    👏 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27


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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #41 on: December 29, 2023, 10:30:33 PM »
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  • While I think the 1/2 + 7 principle is practical, I wouldn’t use it as a rule.

    There’s nothing wrong with a couple of 18 year olds getting married as long as they are mature, frugal, and willing to muck their way through. I know a lot of people in my community that got married right out of high school and do alright. Granted, many of them are farmers and the husband has been working for their family since they could walk basically.

    I know homeschool families around here where their teenage sons will do their studies in the evening and hold down a full time job during the day. One of them I know is 16 and is already graduated with a healthy little nest egg he’s been building for a couple years.

    Both my husband and I came from blue collar backgrounds. Both of our parents started off dirt poor. My husband has always been blue-collar. He doesn’t get paid a lot compared to most bread winners. He figured he would never get married because of this. Most women are vain and expect a certain amount of pampering as the norm. By doing so they overlook some really good Catholic men. 
    Although I have several advanced university degrees, I prefer manly men who do manual labor or a skilled trade.  A man should be able to do a  hard day's labor, be the leader in his home. Men, don’t avoid women with college degrees.  Many of us continue our educations beyond high school because it is very difficult to meet a manly man.  Prudence dictates that in the current climate of the world and Church, there is a highly likely chance that we’ll remain single in the world. There’s a limited pool of Traditional Catholic men, and truly traditional convents are difficult to find.  A woman for whom the future looks to be one of self reliance, she must strive to secure a remunerative income, especially if her family and friends are unlikely and unwilling to support her in old age.  
    For many such women, their “single in the world” status is a vocation by default.  Men looking to marry should not automatically write off a woman for marriage because she’s older than him or because she has a university degree and a career.  It could be that she is NOT a feminist, but one who has had to go it alone.  She may jump at the chance to become a wife and mother, to think it not much of a sacrifice to give up her ability to buy whatever she wants in exchange for a husband and children.  

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #42 on: December 30, 2023, 01:15:11 AM »
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  • That's precisely what I was talking about, where such an individual should live at home and NOT incur those expenses (housing, food, insurance, etc.), and the $15/hour (minimum wage) would be just the worst case scenario.  But the point is, if someone lived at home (without all those expenses) until the age of 30, they could be in a financial position to raise a family even without lucrative career.  Obviously I would advise at least taking a year or so of trade school and getting into something that would bring in more than $15 per hour.  My oldest son did that, took a year of trade school, and after his first 7-8 months, already has $30K saved away.  He continues doing this until he's in his late 20s and he could just buy a house outright, and then his current one-year-trade-school career would be more than sufficient to raise a family.
    It's good that you can help him make that happen. Our kids are on their own for all things car-related. We let our son drive an old extra car we had, but not surprisingly, it completely bit the dust. The timing belt went out and then he had to buy one for himself. 

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #43 on: December 30, 2023, 01:57:23 AM »
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  • I didn't say that either, just pointing out that it's not essential, as everyone has been brainwashed into believing.  I was merely pointing out the stupidity of taking college, incurring $100K of debt, and then immediately getting married at 22, having to take on a $300K mortgage, starting out in life $400K in debt.  And then you're immediately incurring the expense of a family and only chipping away at this huge pile of debt.  Then, if the economy turns, you get laid off, something happens, you're in a world of hurt.  By contrast, if you save up and buy a home, you could take any job really (even unskilled) and scrape by if you already have a home paid for.  I was contrasting the different scenarios and pointing out the folly of the one particular scenario.  This was in response to someone who posted that one should have a "career" before getting married, with that term typically implying a college degree type of career.  There are many better ways to go about things.
    "Better ways" is the same folly we've all heard for decades about college. Going to college was the "better way" that applied universally to everyone. Now, you're saying skipping college is the "better way". I think choosing which path is best has a lot to do with your God-given skill set and what possibilities there are for turning those skills into an income. Some fields just aren't going to hire you without a degree. My younger brother is an engineer and he's certainly not looking to hire people who self-studied their engineering background. It's just not a thing in that industry. There are other examples -- teaching is hard but not impossible and accountants won't get past bookkeeping without a degree as you have to have it for the CPA exam. In other cases, a degree is a big boost -- nursing, for example -- but not absolutely required. Interestingly, I learned recently that the highest paying career with only a BS in this area is Construction Science & Management. And, there are so many companies looking to hire those grads that they toss big scholarships at that department. So, you graduate after 4 years with minimal debt if any and a six-figure salary. I found that interesting, but back to that fundamental first question of God-given talents, no one in our family has any interest in construction. On the flip side of things, there are many ways to make a good living without a degree. We all hear about the trades these days, but there are also many careers that are driven by strong interpersonal skills (media, sales) as well as others like programming or personal finance that can be self-taught if you have the dedication to do that.

    I think we can both agree that going to college for a degree that isn't directly tied to a decent job would be a bad idea universally.

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    Re: Ideal Marriage Age?
    « Reply #44 on: December 30, 2023, 02:06:42 AM »
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  • Although I have several advanced university degrees, I prefer manly men who do manual labor or a skilled trade.  A man should be able to do a  hard day's labor, be the leader in his home. Men, don’t avoid women with college degrees.  Many of us continue our educations beyond high school because it is very difficult to meet a manly man.  Prudence dictates that in the current climate of the world and Church, there is a highly likely chance that we’ll remain single in the world. There’s a limited pool of Traditional Catholic men, and truly traditional convents are difficult to find.  A woman for whom the future looks to be one of self reliance, she must strive to secure a remunerative income, especially if her family and friends are unlikely and unwilling to support her in old age. 
    Well said. I think having a Plan B is a very good idea even for a young woman who wants to marry. As I've said before in this thread, even college courses or a degree can be obtained without a crazy amount of debt. I was once surprised to hear from a Trad priest that a young woman who wants to teach should go and get a teaching certificate. I don't know the exact dynamics for teaching in a private school, but he encouraged getting the certification.