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  • I don't know how this happened to me, but it seems as though I've made friends with someone truly sinister. I didn't even try to be his friend, really.. He just sort of "latched on" if you will. He understands that I'm intelligent so he's trying to use me to help get his grades up.. Which is fine.. I don't mind helping and sharing my notes.. But he's trying to get me to help him cheat and do major assignments with him. This is very disturbing. He's asked me to log into the college system with his account name and password and do some of the tests for him. That to me was just out of line. He even offered me $400. I had to reject it right away on principle. Not only is it unethical, there's no question that this is illegal. If anyone ever found out, I would be royally screwed (for lack of a better term). He's also been offering me money a lot throughout the period I've known him just for helping him.. This kind of worries me.

    He doesn't seem like an evil person but I really don't trust him too much. We have all of the same classes so there's absolutely no way for me to avoid him unless I simply didn't show up.

    Now this guy is trying to get me to go out and party with him and he's trying to get me to meet girls. Just today he even told me he was going to go to the movie with 2 girls and to be honest... I know exactly what that will end with. After all, he's always talking about his sɛҳuąƖ escapades with women and I believe it. He's a pretty good looking guy who could probably pull it off.

    Anyways, I knew I couldn't persevere in my sins without God coming back at me full force. This temptation is God's way of punishing me and I know He's letting the Devil have his way with me. I deserve it. Absolutely deserve it too. Now why exactly am I having trouble with this when I don't seem like the type to fall for this, you might ask? Well, a big problem I have is with saying no. I have a hard time accepting being rejected by people which is totally ridiculous. While I might seem mean on here, I'm much friendlier in real life than on the internet.

    I just don't get how I got put into this situation.. I keep my relationships with women as platonic as possible and avoid any flirtatious or suggestive behavior as much as possible. I don't try to attract this attention to myself but it just finds its way around. I don't hang out with shady crowds or anything.. But seriously. This is ridiculous.

    I need some guidance.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


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    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 04:04:57 PM »
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  • There are a lot of evil people out there.  There always have been some, but these days it's worse than ever.  It's not just people who engage in vices, but people who are sociopathic, shameless, and dangerous. (and they often have a lot of money too)

    You need to avoid vicious companions.  Particularly when they try to corrupt you.



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    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 04:05:37 PM »
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  • Avoid dishonest people like this.  They have a way of dragging you into their messy lives.

    Just keep making your excuses and he'll buzz off and bother someone else.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 04:21:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus


    Now this guy is trying to get me to go out and party with him and he's trying to get me to meet girls. Just today he even told me he was going to go to the movie with 2 girls and to be honest... I know exactly what that will end with. After all, he's always talking about his sɛҳuąƖ escapades with women and I believe it. He's a pretty good looking guy who could probably pull it off.



    I'm sorry you are going through this. I know all to well how hard it is to be surrounded by sin and constantly trying to thwart it. The best thing I can suggest is to cut off negative influences completely.  It is very easy to tell yourself "I'll just be nice to him/hang out with him once and awhile" but it will never be that easy.    

    I think some people have these subconscious feelings of guilt for their sinful lives, so in an attempt to feel better about themselves, they try to bring everyone down to their level.  If you show any judgement or reluctance to bad behavior, they try to exploit your goodness and tease you. Then they will set you up to fail.  

    I imagine these things are even harder for a young man vs. a young woman because in our disgusting culture that promotes metrosɛҳuąƖ, Maxim magazine-style bachelorhood, promiscuity is associated with manliness.  Don't buy into it.  It is a lie.  Those guys are not real men.  

    I will pray that you have the strength to just tell him you're not looking for friendship right now.  

    ...and don't even think about going to the movie.  :pray:
    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25

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    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 04:44:29 PM »
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  • Dear Daegus,

    God Bless you, Daegus.

    You are obviously going through a bad time.

    Since you cannot avoid this man, the best thing to do is to be truthful with him.

    Tell him that you are a very serious traditional Catholic.

    Tell him that you will not compromise morally by sinning with these girls.
    Tell him that you will not help him cheat.

    If he accepts that, fine. If he does not, that gives you the perfect excuse to reject any overtures of friendship.

    It is worth it, Daegus.

    People do not always lose the Faith overnight.
    Sometimes small compromises cause the Faith to gradually trickle away, until we can lose our souls.

    What an awful thing it would be, after death, when we are before God, if we were to suddenly realize that we have lost Heaven.
    Then it would be too late to stand up for the Faith. It would be too late to save our souls.
    We must do God's will now.

    Pray to Our Lady for the graces to do God's will.
    Pray to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
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    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 05:19:03 PM »
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  • This is why I always say that if a man wants to obtain a degree, he is better off earning one online. At least then you can bypass stuff like this.

    I think your best bet is to be truthful with him in the nicest way possible, Daegus. He should eventually get the message and leave you alone.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 05:22:57 PM »
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  • You need to be careful with this sort of sociopath.  They can be dangerous.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 05:23:48 PM »
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  • It sounds like you already know what to do and are just looking for encouragement to do it.  Stay away from him.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 05:24:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    You need to be careful with this sort of sociopath.  They can be dangerous.


    This is true as well, Daegus. Sociopaths are extremely dangerous, so be careful.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 05:27:28 PM »
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    It sounds like you already know what to do and are just looking for encouragement to do it.  Stay away from him.


    You're right in that I already know what to do, but you need to understand that the flesh is weak and I need spiritual support as well.

    Besides that, thank you all for chiming in. I never really considered the possibility that he could be a sociopath. That's a bit scary now that you think about it.

    Edit: After doing a bit of research.. Are you guys sure he's a sociopath? He doesn't sound like one to me. He seems to show emotion but I don't really know that much about him.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 05:37:07 PM »
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    Edit: After doing a bit of research.. Are you guys sure he's a sociopath? He doesn't sound like one to me. He seems to show emotion but I don't really know that much about him.


    No, of course I don't know whether he's a sociopath or not.  But he's leading a reckless, licentious life, and he doesn't leave you alone.  That indicates the possibility that he likes to manipulate weak-willed people, and to get them to serve him and do evil, for his own amusement.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 05:48:24 PM »
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    This is why I always say that if a man wants to obtain a degree, he is better off earning one online. At least then you can bypass stuff like this.

    I think your best bet is to be truthful with him in the nicest way possible, Daegus. He should eventually get the message and leave you alone.


    Dear Spiritus, this is really good advice!!

    Daegus is best off telling this awful man the truth.

    Secondly, you are right about on-line degrees.

    Everyone should avoid going to college.

    They are places of sin and apostacy.

    If you really need a degree, get one on-line.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 05:50:04 PM »
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  • A sociopath is basically a narcissist. They are dangerous people to be around because they are very self-absorbed, they care only about themselves. Here are the symptoms of a sociopath:

    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/sociopath-symptoms-of-a-sociopath.html

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    There are several reasons why people may exhibit sociopathic behavior. As mentioned above, it could be hereditary, wherein a family member may have suffered from a particular personality disorder. In such a case, the affected individual portrays certain innate behaviors such as anger and impulsiveness at a very young age. On the other hand, a sociopath may have normal behavioral traits as a child, which may slowly be altered over time due to the environment and different types of behavior he has been exposed to since childhood. A sociopath can also be the result of a mix of 'nature and nurture', part hereditary behaviors and part environmental situations.

    It may be difficult to recognize a sociopath because such a person is overtly very charming, while sociopathic traits are present below the surface. You may have to dig a little deeper to recognize the symptoms. Also remember that the portrayal of just any one symptom cannot define a person as a sociopath. If more than one or two of the following symptoms exist together, a person may be characterized as a sociopath.

    The Ability to Manipulate
    Sociopaths are real charmers and have the ability to manipulate people they wish to use for any kind of personal purpose. With the portrayal of such behavior, it may be difficult to identify sociopaths.

    Failure of Conformity to Social Norms
    Total disregard for certain set norms by society is a symptom that will easily give a sociopath away. In fact, they often prefer to tweak and twist the 'rules' to suit themselves and their fancies. All this stems out of impulsiveness, and there is no particular cause for the antisocial behavior that sociopaths exhibit.

    Impulsiveness
    Sociopaths are known to be impulsive and unpredictable, wanting to do unimaginable things at the most unimaginable time, without any planning. They find it extremely difficult to resist temptation and wish to gratify their desires and urges instantly. They do not care about the consequences of their behavior.

    Ego-Centric Behavior
    We all have an ego, and some of us have a highly inflated ego. However, sociopathic tendencies include completely self-centered behavior and little capacity to love anyone, or even be emotionally attached to a person in their life.

    Lack of Emotions
    Not only do they lack emotions such as love and attachment, they have little regard for the feelings of others around them. Being prone to serious mood swings, they can easily be callous, rude, and snap angrily at anyone with no regard for the opposite person's feelings. Moreover, they don't even feel sorry for such behavior. They feel no gratitude for any favors done for them, neither do they thank others for their kindness under any circuмstance.

    Lack of Responsibility
    Sociopaths are usually irresponsible towards themselves as well as others. They have often been defined as having parasitic tendencies, where they depend on others for their bread and butter and other comforts. No matter how grave the situation, sociopaths cannot be considered reliable enough to deal with them singularly or with the help of someone else. Moreover, they refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, and have the tendency to blame others or environmental situations for any kind of problem that has arisen as a result of their own actions.

    Absence of Personal Goals
    Sociopaths have no personal goals in life. As mentioned before, their parasitic tendencies keep them believing that it is possible for them to survive comfortably all their life. They lead aimless lives, from one day to another, without any direction.

    Pathological Lying
    Sociopaths also exhibit symptoms of pathological liars, where they constantly lie to cover up for certain behaviors. It is difficult to trust them and take their word at face value because of this untruthful and insincere behavior.

    Juvenile Delinquency
    This is one of the signs of sociopathic behavior in children. Juvenile delinquency refers to criminal behavior by children who belong to the age group 13-18 years. The crimes may involve exploitation, aggression and manipulation, vandalism, drug and alcohol abuse.

    Infidelity
    Sociopaths fear commitment, which makes them often resort to infidel behavior. Their marital relationships are often short-lived. They also tend to portray promiscuous sɛҳuąƖ behavior, where they have several affairs with a variety of people, and attempt to maintain several relationships at the same time, none of which they are committed to. Furthermore, they seem to feel great pride in such behavior and do not refrain from explicit discussions of their feats and so-called 'conquests'.

    After learning about these symptoms, it seems surprising that for a person who cannot lead a life in a particular direction, it is so easy to be self-motivated to con and charm people for personal gain. Such individuals cannot differentiate between right and wrong because of a lack of conscience. Dealing with a sociopath is also often difficult since it takes a while before the symptoms are recognized. Trying to alter these symptoms is a big challenge as sociopaths are very resistant to change. Even so, therapeutic treatment has been given to them, but without much success.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 05:50:30 PM »
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  • PenitentWoman and Tel have the best reply.

    Does he look like he is from a particular "tribe"? I am not kidding.

    My reply:

    Why would you want these college girls? I'm serious. If you believe yourself to be someone of quality, why would you want to pollute your reality with young women who attend frat parties? You are completely unlike modern guys in a good way.

    Not to be offensive, but to simply use these frat party girls would be better for you and your future family than to see yourself equal to them. During the Middle Ages, prostitution was allowed based partly on this. You love an honorable woman - your wife, you sin with a dishonorable woman and be done with it. I am in no way telling you to sin, simply explaining how it can effect you. I would not recommend this for many of these young women have STDs, apart from moral reasons. Which a debate can be had elsewhere, which is worse?

    If he knows so many girls and you desire to seek a near equal, ask him if he knows any nice quiet shy girls and perhaps become good friends with her. Don't see her as someone to necessarily start a relationship with - a Christian courtship, but as a friend who you can learn about the way young women can be and she can learn how a young man can be. There may be some girl at the college who needs a good Christian influence.

    Being paid for taking notes and helping out is ok. Doing assignments for him? Tell him he is there to learn, you can tutor him, *help* him outline and research papers, teach him to write the papers and you can review and assist in revising them so eventually he can do much of it on his own.

    If you do follow anything I write, except the sleeping with frat girls (I was making a point), be strong willed about it. Don't be rude, just know your Christian position is in the right. These positions are more than simply Christian, it is the way you become and remain a man.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 05:51:22 PM »
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  •  Asking someone to do something unethical is a big red flag. That's not a friend.

    As far as the flesh being weak..well, don't let yourself make excuses. You are responsible for your choices, so do yourself a favor and don't enter situations where your weakness might be exploited. Things can go wrong so quickly.

    ~For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for? But if we hope for that which we see not, we wait for it with patience. ~ Romans 8:24-25