If you ever get welfare I hate it how those who know you look down on you and consider you a bum because you (*GASP*) actually need help to live because your employer does not pay you enough to live descently. I hate it that everyone looks down on you because you have to go to the Church to ask for relief.

Let me say another thing, women and old people, who are very liberal and capitalist in their thinking are the worst when it comes to being snobbish towards you, as if you are a parasite for needing help to pay your bills. They act as if everyone should be able to pay everything and that everyone has the opportunity to become rich.

Once we entered our modern godless liberal and capitalist society however it was bound to happen that compassion towards your fellow man (and no I do not mean compassion for laziness or those who break the law and are not citizens) would NOT become the norm.

If you know of my posting history you also know of my antagonistic views towards Marxism as well. I support the Catholic theory of social justice.

If you ever get welfare I hate it how those who know you look down on you and consider you a bum because you (*GASP*) actually need help to live because your employer does not pay you enough to live descently. I hate it that everyone looks down on you because you have to go to the Church to ask for relief.

Let me say another thing, women and old people, who are very liberal and capitalist in their thinking are the worst when it comes to being snobbish towards you, as if you are a parasite for needing help to pay your bills. They act as if everyone should be able to pay everything and that everyone has the opportunity to become rich.

Once we entered our modern godless liberal and capitalist society however it was bound to happen that compassion towards your fellow man (and no I do not mean compassion for laziness or those who break the law and are not citizens) would become the norm.

Well for one thing a business should pay a man a wage high enough to support his family.

How high is that?  Who decides the amount?

Some jobs are not meant to be held by grown men.  Working at McDonalds or blowing leaves and weeding is not work for a man but for a boy.  That is unskilled labor and a person should not expect much pay for unskilled labor.

Marsha

"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."  This is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx, and it is central to the concept of all forms of Statism.  The wage for a job is rightly determined by the time and effort required to execute that job, compounded by the degree of that job's specialization, which is determined by the number of individuals available to do it competently.  There is a reason that a mechanic specializing in GM cars is paid less than a doctor.

where you have it wrong, and consequently what makes you a Marxist.  Marxism recognizes the difference between property of a consumable nature and property of a real nature, that is property whose utilization allows for the creation of wealth.  Marxism, in the abstract, permits the former but not the latter.

There can be, in practice, no limited form of private property.  Either you own something or you do not.  If you do, then no one should be able to take it from you except that you trade it, freely and without duress, for like value, in good or currency, or that it be taken from you in payment for the commission of a crime.  The fact of the matter is that the practice of charity is a work of corporal mercy and therefore has no relation to virtue of justice.  Indeed, justice is properly understood as the compact, between citizens and between citizen and State, that the rights of either shall be inviolate so long as the rights of the other are not infringed.  Welfare, or any other term for the disbursement of material goods for payment has not been given, is not an work of justice, but one of mercy.  Therein lay that essential distinction which makes such efforts outside the province of the civil state.  The justice of the State, understood in the context of the Catholic religion is thus:

1.) The foundation of government is establishment of Christ the King as the center of law and order, through the public and irrevocable establishment of the Christian religion, specifically and exclusively the Roman Catholic Church, and cooperation with the same through the legislation of laws that are in absolute accord with divine and natural law.

2.) Pursuant to first point, that the State exercises its power in that it acts punitively against those that violate the compact of civil justice, and that the purpose of established order is to preserve the life and property of the citizens over which it holds civil power.  Moreover, the exercise of civil jurisprudence, in proceeding from just law and extension unassailable moral authority, must be exercised dispassionately.

3.) To exercise, where necessary and always in accord with the precepts of just war, martial power for the safety and freedom of its citizens.

Now, no doubt you and others would argued that welfare, monetary assistance for the poor, et cetera, would fall under the purview of maintaining order, in that it prevents civil disturbance through alleviating class inequality.  In fact, it does nothing but exacerbate those tensions.  The redistribution of wealth in the form of welfare violates civil justice in two main ways:

1.) It legitimizes the right of one class of people to effectively ransom another class of people at gunpoint

2.) The undermines the entire basis of civil law and moral authority with regard to the government in that, by accepting that crime and other civil disturbance will be the inevitable outcome of not redistributing wealth, in is effectively paying its own citizens to not engage in criminal activity, thereby implicitly stating that its law is neither objective nor enforceable depending on one's state in life.

re a Marxist, whatever label you apply to yourself.  The only difference is that the gunpoint theft that you encourage politically is done in the name of God instead of the State.

Since you obsess over Karl Marx here are some famous liberals to quote right back at you:

Obviously within the nation there should be no class antagonism, which Marxism supports, however class peace and harmony can only be done when social justice is put in its place. Your form of "Statism" would make every government from Athens to the France of the Sun King to be "unsuccessful socities."

Catholic social justice permits welfare to the poor from the Church and state because it unites social order within society instead of societal antagonism. If one would follow the liberal doctrine the worker would live in misery under it because for one thing, liberalism denioes nation and race, and instead promotes a global marketplace where the businessman can get labor wherever he wants. Global capitalism promotes women in the labor force and other anti-family policies, destroying the family. Now obviously property rightsd must be protected however that does not mean a market should be dominated by huge corporations.

If I am a Marxist you are a liberal and capitalist. Marxism denies the reality of nation and race and supports an international workers' movement. Marxism is international and hates nationalism. So does liberalism as well.