Goodness, I'm really racking up titles.  First I was just a liberal and a capitalist.  Now I'm a feminist as well.  Of course, if you've ever read any of my posts regarding men, women and their roles in society, you would know that I haven't an ounce of feminism in me.

So, am I Marxist now?  I'm having difficulty keeping track of your aspersions.

The State has those duties which I've enumerated in my previous post.  Nor have you been espousing "encouragement".  You've stated openly that were the needs of one are concerned, you feel justified in taking, or having the government, take from one without permission and giving it to another.  However friendly or holy a practice you wish to paint it, that's still theft and still crypto-Marxism.  The encouragement to charity must come from the Church, else it legitimizes institutionalized theft.  Period.

Nothing that I'm saying echoes the statements of those people that you quoted.  Your assertion that your station in life, rather than your ability and specialization, should determine what you're paid for a job is directly correlative to Marx's doctrine.  But, naturally, you don't concern yourself with denying my assertion.

The fact that neither exists should be a fairly strong indication that they were, as a matter of historical fact, unsuccessful.  The creation of direct democracy among the Greek city-states is the progenitor of the godless republic in which we currently live, in that it tacitly accepts that civil morality, and by extension individual morality, is subordinate to the will of people at a given time and is therefore subjective.  Likewise, the profligate spending of Louis XIV set the tone for the State expenditures that would inflame the people to such a degree that they would follow madmen like Robespierre.  His expenditures to the relief of French poverty were not for the virtue of charity but for the political expedience in avoiding cινιℓ ωαr.

The enforcement of largesse in the form of charity, cannot justly, and must not as a matter of policy or practice, become the province of the civil state, and most especially where that civil state suffers the tyranny of democracy.  The inevitable outcome is a class of professional voters and the establishment of a welfare state that strangles all right of personal property and every ounce of productivity.  Which is, incidentally, what has happened to this godless nation.

In calling me a liberal and a capitalist, you're certainly half-right.  Which is less than the twice-correct broken clock, but one must be grateful for what one can get.

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Many have lived sheltered lives and they take for granted what has been given to them, they have no clue what others experience, apart from what FOX, CBS, and GOP politicians tell them. Remember public assistance is the great scapegoat of the GOP.
They really don't know. Most conservative people here are comfortable if not affluent, and if you want your kids to do activities with some moral guidelines you have to sit and listen to it, and can only smile. I do understand and it's hard to listen to though. D i c k e n s novels really hit the nail on the head with this, he shows their wrong views on the poor.

No I do not support a classless society, I support a society where those on top are because of talent and virtue. However that means that the worker does not have the right to be "left behind."

Whether they were successful or not liberal democracy and free-market capitalism is not the key to success in the Western world. If it was God sure has taken a long time to make mankind see that (over 2000 years).

Also to borrow from the conservative Joseph de Maistre the monarchy's fault was not in spending but in the refusal to silence the supporters of liberty and freedom embodied in the eighteenth-century philosophes, and instead encouraged France in listening to them. "The books did it all!"

I do not support democracy nor your term of the welfare state. I said that the state and Church has to have relief services for those in need. Speaking of godless capitalism is godless.

Capitalism, liberalism, Communism, socialism, etc. have all been condemned by the Catholic Church.

Catholicism created the university system, practically all science, art,lilibraries, and pretty much everything else with regards to culture. To despise someone who wants to learn is not Catholic. Certainly, we need to be careful of the modernistic agenda, but we should expect to be leading every field of study. Running into a shell and hating the world is not catholic.