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Offline Ivan

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I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
« on: February 23, 2024, 07:44:45 PM »
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  • Hi, I am new here....Just a warning that English is my second language.

    Just curious about your opinions regarding this:

    I used to be somewhat of a traditional Catholic but I have changed because I was too scrupulous especially regarding receiving the Eucharist on the tongue only but I have changed all that and today I am an even Eucharistic minister, bringing the Eucharist to the sick, to be exact only to my sick mom.

    I don't think it is a sin as the Church permits it and therefore I am not committing a sin because I am being obedient to the superiors. I know what some previous popes and other consecrated persons have said but the Church has authority to change some obscure rules.

    Furthermore I don't think it is a sin to touch Jesus shortly to bring his love to a sick person or even for myself receiving it in the hand.

    A priest told me just to check only once for any sacred particles and if there is none I am good. 
    I am still somewhat scrupulous and I usually shake my hands over a garden outside the church just to make sure if there were any sacred particles left and when I get home I rinse my hands over a flower pot or flower garden outside.

    Offline Shrewd Operator

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #1 on: February 23, 2024, 07:51:16 PM »
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  • Too much trouble for the Priest to come and visit her himself? What if she wants confession or anything else?

    If the rules are obscure, it's because they are being made obscure by deliberate neglect, like the whole liturgy itself. Like so much of the Church's moral teaching.


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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #2 on: February 23, 2024, 08:16:56 PM »
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  • I…..don’t think you’re going to fit in here very well. 
    God cannot leave a soul to swim
    That has not first abandoned Him.

    Offline Ivan

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2024, 08:21:41 PM »
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  • I agree with you, there is lots of that and they are guilty before God for sure.

    But, what I was pointing at is that lay people can do some of the things that may have been considered sins in the past, like receiving Eucharist in the hand. Michael Lofton of Reason and Theology YouTube channel has helped me a lot with many Theological questions I had. 

    I had to mention him as he helped me a lot.

    Offline Ivan

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #4 on: February 23, 2024, 08:33:34 PM »
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  • I…..don’t think you’re going to fit in here very well.
    I won't post much. Basically, I had these two things to say (2 topics) I started in Catholics Living in the Modern World. Maybe few more. 

    One of the reasons I joined is to post a docuмent in the Library which has the best news sources. I follow news for about ten years and have created a docuмent listing the most censored and the best news sources. I had two Google accounts locked as I posted it in blogger. Other websites censored me to. I wonder if I can post it here in Library section as a "timeless" docuмent. Will I get banned or will it get deleted? 


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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #5 on: February 23, 2024, 08:34:24 PM »
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  • Michael Lofton? Shaking your hands over a garden? Rinsing your hands over a flower pot?
    I'm thinking troll..
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    Offline Ivan

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #6 on: February 23, 2024, 08:40:15 PM »
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  • Michael Lofton? Shaking your hands over a garden? Rinsing your hands over a flower pot?
    I'm thinking troll..
    I am not a troll. I do that occasionally as I am scrupulous but the priest told me not to.
    He told me to quickly check once and if there are no visible sacred particles, not to worry, and move on.

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #7 on: February 23, 2024, 10:57:54 PM »
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  • I agree with you, there is lots of that and they are guilty before God for sure.

    But, what I was pointing at is that lay people can do some of the things that may have been considered sins in the past, like receiving Eucharist in the hand. Michael Lofton of Reason and Theology YouTube channel has helped me a lot with many Theological questions I had.

    I had to mention him as he helped me a lot.
    You do not want to listen to these fake Catholics. They will lead to into perdition.


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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #8 on: February 23, 2024, 10:58:55 PM »
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  • I am not a troll. I do that occasionally as I am scrupulous but the priest told me not to.
    He told me to quickly check once and if there are no visible sacred particles, not to worry, and move on.
    You should really see a traditional priest, they generally are better with scruples then the fake novus ordo priests.

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #9 on: February 23, 2024, 11:20:43 PM »
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    today I am an even Eucharistic minister, bringing the Eucharist to the sick, to be exact only to my sick mom.
    This is the office of the priest alone; what you are doing is a sacrilege.  You are not a priest; you need to stop.

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #10 on: February 23, 2024, 11:31:28 PM »
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  • Michael Lofton is at best ill-informed, uneducated in topics he chooses to discuss. And at worst a deliberate liar and deceiver and heretic like some other Novus Ordo apologists. Today we have so much free books about theology that it couldn't and shouldn't be case of invicible ignorance. Especially for those who earn money by discussing topics like that. Michael Lofton, Trent Horn, Matt Fradd, fr Chris Alar, etc. I don't need Dimonds to see their errors, but they made very good work exposing those like Lofton, no doubt.


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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #11 on: February 24, 2024, 04:56:35 AM »
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  • You do not want to listen to these fake Catholics. They will lead to into perdition.
    That's right. Exactly right. The lazy priest (if he is one) will pay for not going himself and for telling you to do wrong - and you will suffer the consequences of doing wrong.

    I agree with you, there is lots of that and they are guilty before God for sure.

    But, what I was pointing at is that lay people can do some of the things that may have been considered sins in the past, like receiving Eucharist in the hand. Michael Lofton of Reason and Theology YouTube channel has helped me a lot with many Theological questions I had.

    I had to mention him as he helped me a lot.
    Do not listen to this Michael Lofton, I've never heard of the guy, but through you, it is easy to see that he is another false prophet. 
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #12 on: February 24, 2024, 06:45:54 AM »
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  • "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #13 on: February 24, 2024, 08:46:59 AM »
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  • Michael Lofton is at best ill-informed, uneducated in topics he chooses to discuss. And at worst a deliberate liar and deceiver and heretic like some other Novus Ordo apologists.

    Agreed.  Dimond Brothers have done a great job exposing this guy for what he really is.

    We see in the OP yet another fruit of Lofton's heretical Antipopesplaining.

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    Re: I am not Traditional Catholic anymore
    « Reply #14 on: February 24, 2024, 08:52:45 AM »
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  • Not allowing laymen to handle the Blessed Sacrament is no "obscure rule", but it's been the immemorial long-standing Tradition of the Church.  Obviously, the Church realizes that there are certain grave situations which would permit exceptions to the rule, such as if a church were on fire, to prevent sacrilege (say, if hoodlums break in to the church), in danger of death, etc.  But there must be PROPORTIONATE NEED to do so, and it cannot become the norm and the ordinary mode of behavior, since it destroys faith in the sacredness of what the Blessed Sacrament is, and we see the fruits of this in the Novus Ordo, where the vast majority no longer believe in the Real Presence.  The less of a real need there is (laziness of NO presiders doesn't count), the less justification there is for it.

    Just think about how sever God was with prohibiting anyone but the priests from touching the Ark of the Covenant.  Even when they only touched the Ark in order to save it from tipping over, God struck them dead.  That should be food for thought, o "formerly too scrupulous" OP.

    We should have the attitude of fear and trembling before God, and that requires only consecrated vessels and consecrated hands to touch the Blessed Sacrament ... again, unless there's some proportionately grave reason to make an exception.  Communion in the Hand is yet another deliberate Novus Ordo program to de-sacralize everything that Catholics once held to be sacred, and thereby to destroy and undermine faith, and to derogate from the reverence we owe to God.