Author Topic: I'VE HAD ENOUGH - Our Lady of Mount Carmel (Read 1135 times)

SperaInDeo · « **on:** June 17, 2020, 07:31:57 PM »

MANDATORY MASKS
The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr is coming out of the closet. I've had enough of the SSPX playing ball with this hoax virus and the obvious Antichrist agenda at play. I've had enough of these big cities that we are clearly being shown by God to avoid.
Time to move...but the question is WHERE TO?

I see that Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston Kentucky looks promising. Please fill me in on this place and anywhere else in the (former) USA that is similar.

Do they have daily Mass? Weekly Mass? Are all Masses open to the public?
It looks like the Priests drive around and serve the entire country....is there always a Priest at OLOMC? Do the Priests reside there?
It sounds like there are seminarians and nuns. Anyone know how many of each?
Is this place associated with Bishop Williamson and the Resistance? Is there a Bishop that will frequent OLOMC?
Have they been playing along with the Antichrist's hoax virus agenda these last few months?

Please share your thoughts and information about other locations as well... My family would like access to daily Mass but weekly is fine too. If you cannot answer all my questions that is no problem...should it sound fine I will be calling them shortly.

Many thanks and prayers to you, my brothers, in this persecution we are enduring for the sake of Christ.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2020, 07:37:35 PM »

Most of us here do not support Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston Kentucky. Pablo. Moran.

pnw1994 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:05:56 PM »

Stay away. Stay far, far, FAR away.

This forum is full of lively discussion and debate regarding OLMC, with the general consensus that Fr. Pfeiffer has completely gone off the deep end. Publicly denouncing and savaging +Williamson plus all the other Resistance bishops, denouncing anyone who doesn't agree with Fr. Pfeiffer on his arbitrary, made up positions as being outside the Church and 'false-resistance', cavorting with clergy of dubious moral character and possibly (probably) invalid holy orders, the list goes on and on.

If the truth, and a respite from the modern world you seek, you'll not find it in Boston. As for myself, the last time I had any contact with Fr Pfeiffer was 2014, and I could already tell at that time that he was close to going off the deep end.

SperaInDeo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:38:54 PM »

Quote from: pnw1994 on June 17, 2020, 08:05:56 PM

Stay away. Stay far, far, FAR away.

This forum is full of lively discussion and debate regarding OLMC, with the general consensus that Fr. Pfeiffer has completely gone off the deep end. Publicly denouncing and savaging +Williamson plus all the other Resistance bishops, denouncing anyone who doesn't agree with Fr. Pfeiffer on his arbitrary, made up positions as being outside the Church and 'false-resistance', cavorting with clergy of dubious moral character and possibly (probably) invalid holy orders, the list goes on and on.

If the truth, and a respite from the modern world you seek, you'll not find it in Boston. As for myself, the last time I had any contact with Fr Pfeiffer was 2014, and I could already tell at that time that he was close to going off the deep end.

Thank you for the reply. Sounds like a no-go.

The only other place on my radar is St Mary’s. But I fear the infectious problem of Modernism is there...and a lack of an appetite for returning to the catacombs.

Further suggestions are most welcome from all. Please excuse my ignorance of the Resistance personas. I agree with their assessments of Rome and the new direction of the SSPX, but admittedly have little knowledge of the historical details of their group after Bishop Williamson was removed from the Society.

pnw1994 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2020, 10:41:27 PM »

Quote from: SperaInDeo on June 17, 2020, 08:38:54 PM

Thank you for the reply. Sounds like a no-go.

The only other place on my radar is St Mary’s. But I fear the infectious problem of Modernism is there...and a lack of an appetite for returning to the catacombs.

Further suggestions are most welcome from all. Please excuse my ignorance of the Resistance personas. I agree with their assessments of Rome and the new direction of the SSPX, but admittedly have little knowledge of the historical details of their group after Bishop Williamson was removed from the Society.

The question comes up perennially in traditional circles...is there a place that has (not in order of importance):

1. Affordable cost of living
2. Employment opportunities
3. A reliable chapel with consistent access to valid sacraments, with priests untainted by modernism.

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. Stable, 'permanent' resistance chapels are hard to come by in the United States. Some ideas though:

St Athanasius in Vienna, VA (metro DC area), not exactly a low cost of living, but it is unusual by resistance standards in that it is a permanent church building with a sizeable community and at least 2 priests who lived there. I've attended it from time to time myself and found it to be a good option. Of course, not exactly a low cost of living, but plenty of people live further into VA/WV and make the drive. Long term though, I'm not sure how solid of an option it would be. Fr. Ringrose is getting on in years and isn't exactly a young guy anymore. Not sure if he's made succession planning.

There are a couple spots that, although not permanently home to any resistance priests, seem to be visited by them fairly frequently. Ones that come to mind would be Post Falls and, as you mentioned, St Mary's. Many Catholic families of good will have moved to these spots seeking a traditional Catholic utopia and have been less than impressed. I'm sure there are many happy families there, and they both tick the box for low cost of living, at least, but I also know of some friends who live/have lived in St Marys who have been disappointed.

From what I understand, Bishop Zendejas has set up/is setting up a chapel somewhere in CT, probably not a low cost of living. The owner of this forum, Matthew, has a resistance chapel on his property, not entirely sure how often it gets visited by a priest.

Anyways, no easy answers, but I will pray for you all the same. Sometimes it's best to stay put.

poche · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:25:53 AM »

If you live in the area why don't you tell us what the situation is.

SperaInDeo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2020, 10:18:23 AM »

Quote from: pnw1994 on June 17, 2020, 10:41:27 PM

The question comes up perennially in traditional circles...is there a place that has (not in order of importance):

1. Affordable cost of living
2. Employment opportunities
3. A reliable chapel with consistent access to valid sacraments, with priests untainted by modernism.

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. Stable, 'permanent' resistance chapels are hard to come by in the United States. Some ideas though:

St Athanasius in Vienna, VA (metro DC area), not exactly a low cost of living, but it is unusual by resistance standards in that it is a permanent church building with a sizeable community and at least 2 priests who lived there. I've attended it from time to time myself and found it to be a good option. Of course, not exactly a low cost of living, but plenty of people live further into VA/WV and make the drive. Long term though, I'm not sure how solid of an option it would be. Fr. Ringrose is getting on in years and isn't exactly a young guy anymore. Not sure if he's made succession planning.

There are a couple spots that, although not permanently home to any resistance priests, seem to be visited by them fairly frequently. Ones that come to mind would be Post Falls and, as you mentioned, St Mary's. Many Catholic families of good will have moved to these spots seeking a traditional Catholic utopia and have been less than impressed. I'm sure there are many happy families there, and they both tick the box for low cost of living, at least, but I also know of some friends who live/have lived in St Marys who have been disappointed.

From what I understand, Bishop Zendejas has set up/is setting up a chapel somewhere in CT, probably not a low cost of living. The owner of this forum, Matthew, has a resistance chapel on his property, not entirely sure how often it gets visited by a priest.

Anyways, no easy answers, but I will pray for you all the same. Sometimes it's best to stay put.

Thank you again.
St Mary’s certainly isn’t the utopia it is made out to be, but I’m sure 9 out of 10 women aren’t dressed like prostitutes as they are around these parts.
I am concerned about the long term approach the SSPX is taking regarding the “legitimate government orders” that prevent offering the sacraments. Hearing it is frequented by Resistance Priests is good news. My understanding is that it is the Trad Mecca and no where else in the country has a higher concentration of self-described Trads even outside the SSPX chapels?

Mr G · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2020, 10:47:32 AM »

Quote from: SperaInDeo on June 18, 2020, 10:18:23 AM

Thank you again.
St Mary’s certainly isn’t the utopia it is made out to be, but I’m sure 9 out of 10 women aren’t dressed like prostitutes as they are around these parts.
I am concerned about the long term approach the SSPX is taking regarding the “legitimate government orders” that prevent offering the sacraments. Hearing it is frequented by Resistance Priests is good news. My understanding is that it is the Trad Mecca and no where else in the country has a higher concentration of self-described Trads even outside the SSPX chapels?

The SAJM chapel (Bishop Zendejas's chapel) in Emmett, KS (north of St. Mary's) has been growing. Although it is only a mission chapel, we have had Mass every Sunday for the past year and currently have Mass every day.

SperaInDeo · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2020, 12:50:33 PM »

Perhaps I spoke too soon, and I must give credit where it is due - so far they are not enforcing the mask order. We are not wearing them and they are publicly against it.

And thank you all for your information in this thread. May God guide us all in our pursuit of His Truth.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2020, 02:26:36 PM »

Quote from: pnw1994 on June 17, 2020, 10:41:27 PM

From what I understand, Bishop Zendejas has set up/is setting up a chapel somewhere in CT, probably not a low cost of living. The owner of this forum, Matthew, has a resistance chapel on his property, not entirely sure how often it gets visited by a priest.

1. Bp. Zendejas has had a permanent chapel in CT since 2015 (2016?) -- my point being -- it's been there for some time.
2. Bp. Zendejas also has a permanent, dedicated property (as in, a property that he purchased and owns) outside Houston. The small town is called La Marque. That location also has Mass on Sundays, Holy Days, and some weekdays.
3. There is a "mission" chapel a few hours from La Marque at which there is Mass at least once a month (sometimes as often as every 2-3 weeks). That is St.
Dominic's Chapel, the chapel on my property that you spoke of.

I would add to this discussion that you're not going to find some no-brainer, slam-dunk of a location. Every location is going to have upsides and downsides. Pick your poison (or, pick your cross).

Around here we have low taxes and cost of living, we're reasonably convenient to many small and mid-size towns (including the "Big City" of San Antonio 40 minutes away -- when we need it -- for health specialists, employment, etc.), and we get Mass often enough by a solid Resistance priest to survive in the Faith. We've had a variety of priests here over the years, but they've all been rock-solid with no scandals or other problems. They've all been good priests fighting to keep the Faith during this Crisis in the Church -- and they all acknowledge and act like there is still a Crisis. That is important.

If there were a Perfect Location in the US, everyone would have moved there by now. Some places have tons of Trad options, but they have poor economies or demographics problems. Other places have great economies/employment opportunities and low cost of living *cough* Texas *cough* but they are super spread-out and it's difficult to get enough Trad Catholics in a three-hour driving radius to form a viable chapel (20+ souls). So Trad options are thin-to-nonexistent in most parts of the state.
Places like Connecticut and New York have great employment opportunities, but a sky-high cost of living. And the culture in those places is uber-liberal.

When the real Boogaloo starts, I wouldn't want to be living in New York City. Just saying.

Like I said -- you really have to pick your poison.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2020, 02:43:05 PM »

Quote from: Mr G on June 18, 2020, 10:47:32 AM

The SAJM chapel (Bishop Zendejas's chapel) in Emmett, KS (north of St. Mary's) has been growing. Although it is only a mission chapel, we have had Mass every Sunday for the past year and currently have Mass every day.

How many faithful do you get at that chapel normally?

Mr G · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2020, 03:11:20 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 21, 2020, 02:43:05 PM

How many faithful do you get at that chapel normally?

About 80.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2020, 11:25:50 PM »

Would you consider Mgr. Zendejas's place a cathedral?

RevolveBooks · « **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2020, 08:57:02 AM »

If I recall Bishop Williamson advises to live where you can support your family and rely on God to provide what you need for your salvation. Having said that here are the Pros and Cons of living in Kentucky:

Pros
Cheap land
Many small towns
Traditional culture (outside the urban areas)
Pro gun & hunting
Access to outdoor activities
Centrally located (makes travel easy to Midwest and East Coast)
Moderate cost of living
Access to locally grown food
Appreciation for folk art and old tyme ways

Cons
Few job opportunities
High unemployment
Welfare state
High drug use
High crime in metro areas
Very visible police presence even in small towns
Clannish mentality makes it hard for outsiders to assimilate
Government corruption (all levels)
Very strong Southern Baptist/Pentacostal influence
Very strong anti-Catholic sentiments (exceptions are Jefferson, Nelson, and Marion counties)
Difficult to hunt if you don't own land or know someone who does
Hub of international human trafficking (Derby)
Very poor school systems
Lots of trailers instead of constructed homes
Pride in being ignorant (seen as a type of loyalty to ancestors)

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2020, 10:00:49 AM »

Quote from: poche on June 21, 2020, 11:25:50 PM

Would you consider Mgr. Zendejas's place a cathedral?

No, because that is the Seat of a bishop in the headquarters of his Diocese -- the Diocese where he was given jurisdiction from the Pope at his consecration. It's where we get the term "Ex Cathedra" from. It literally means "from the Chair", as in the Chair of St. Peter in a papal Ex Cathedra pronouncement.

Bishop Zendejas never got jurisdiction when he was consecrated. If he HAD done so:

A) it would have been an attempt or pretense only -- no real jurisdiction would have been conferred upon him,
B) it would have been a schismatic act and the ipso facto excommunication (mentioned in 1988 Ecclesia Dei Afflicta) WOULD HAVE APPLIED to both the consecrating bishops (+Williamson, +Faure, +Thomas Aquinas) and the priest being consecrated, in this case +Zendejas.

You really are new to (and ignorant of) Tradition, aren't you.

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