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Offline Pax Vobis

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But He can soften the heart of the bad willed person,
Not a guarantee of change. 

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Iron Cross, if I came off as flippant and rude, then my bad. None of it is personal, it's attacking your approach to this.

But you gotta change how you think of things. Really.
He will.
He is young and will, hopefully, learn much as he grows and matures.


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Not a guarantee of change.
God loves us and will take good care of us if we are of good will, no matter how others may treat us.  This is the only guarantee you have of anything, except death, and the only guarantee you need.
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Have more Faith.

Offline Ladislaus

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Tell that to the Catholic women "divorcing" their husbands and using the courts to steal most of what he owns.

You continue on with all your false non-Catholic premises.  You've spent too much time listening to the heretic.

"He" doesn't unilaterally own his income once he gets married and starts a family.

She is not "steal"-ing anything in insisting upon being able to continue supporting the children.

Offline 2Vermont

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Why don't you tell us who here has demanded a marriage license? 
And despite repeatedly accusing us of doing so, he can't seem to substantiate his claims.


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You continue on with all your false non-Catholic premises.  You've spent too much time listening to the heretic.

"He" doesn't unilaterally own his income once he gets married and starts a family.

She is not "steal"-ing anything in insisting upon being able to continue supporting the children.
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You are correct.
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Men sometimes fall into a "mid life crisis", divorce their wives, and start over.  Which is why I have informed my husband that if he divorces me, he gets primary custody of our very large brood.
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I will not deal with welfare, food stamps, a job, and try to continue to homeschool, if he divorces me and battles me in court.  I can provide for myself, but not the children too.
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This idea has stopped my husband from EVER considering divorce.

Offline Jaynek

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This idea has stopped my husband from EVER considering divorce.
My husband came with "factory settings" that he would never consider divorce.  I have never had to do anything to discourage him from considering it because, as a Catholic, he believes that divorce is never an option.  And I am he same.

This whole idea that we need to come up with ways to make divorce unappealing is very foreign to me.

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Lame narrative.

It seems you're more concerned with worldly matters because you want women to retain the power over men in their marriages through the threat of "divorce", a lack of a prenup, and the issuance of a state marriage license (worldly) thereby, garnering his life's work for herself.
Please,  Lord, keep good women far from CDF.
Amen.


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You still imply it in your arguments throughout these masterful threads.

I mean the women here AND the general public of women. Again, trad Catholic women and those posing as "trads", here, aren't immune to the dispositions of modern women. They harbor a lot of it already.

Tell that to the Catholic women "divorcing" their husbands and using the courts to steal most of what he owns. If these Catholic women truly believed and lived it, they wouldn't be engaging in court-sanctioned larceny against the husband. This is why a prenup is necessary. Also, the wife has no title to what the man earned and built before he married her. She, being his wife, naturally, must share in it, but if she "divorces" him, she should get none of it. The prenup should have this guaranteed protection. The assets, wealth, savings, etc they earn while they're married belong to both of them, equally, for the betterment of the family. The prenup is fair when it allows what they earned and built during their marriage to be divided according to each person's contribution to it, if the marriage ends in "divorce". If the husband saves $200,000  and the wife saves 1/4 of that at $50,000, during their marriage, and then "divorce" occurs, the wife shouldn't get $75,000 of what the man contributed as to effect an equal payout. The prenup should protect the man against this unjust redistribution. She only equally shares in whatever they both provide while they're faithfully married. However, whatever than man built & acquired on his own before the marriage, he keeps all of it, and the wife has no title to it.

More than sometimes. It's weaponized larceny against married men who get "divorced" by their wives.

I never attacked the nature of married life. I reckon marriage life is neat. Man just has to protect himself by getting a prenup and avoiding a state license.

In fact, I paid homage to REAL marriage, which is done through the Holy Sacrament of the Church, for that is the only marriage I recognize. It's the only marriage God sees, too, not "marriage" contracted by the state.
How is a women supposed to contribute $ when she does not work and is not supposed to work?

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Please,  Lord, keep good women far from CDF.
Amen.

THIS^^^

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Also, the wife has no title to what the man earned and built before he married her. She, being his wife, naturally, must share in it, but if she "divorces" him, she should get none of it.

False.  Another non-Catholic principle based on secular thinking.


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So, I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say here. I love my husband to death, he’s my support system, prayer buddy, pretty much everything to me. But if he does something stupid, or if I feel he’s being a little happy go lucky with our money I’m going to say something. If I feel he is not holdin up his part in marriage I’m gonna tell that man to shape up. I work extremely hard to taking care of 3 kids under 5. Including a house, and errands to do. I could definitely say I have the easier part of this arrangement. He owns a business and has to deal with crazy people, he pays the bills, but we budget together. The only people I ever have to deal with our the kids, him, and my mom tribe. But I don’t think I’m stepping out of place by telling him, or bringing to mind how his actions are having a negative effect. Does that make me disobedient? No, we are a team. I have his back, and he has mine. If he doesn’t order me around, and I don’t order him. I don’t even see how marriage could work the way you’re saying it should :/




I’ve been married six years to my amazing man, and I’m not ashamed to say I am previously divorced. It was a huge mistake at 18 marrying a non Catholic in a non Catholic ceremony. My hubby, and I have not had an extremely easy marriage. We talked quits multiple times in the past. I can honestly say I never ever once thought of taking anything but the kids stuff, and mine when leaving. I walked as fast as I could away from my ex literally leaving with one outfit. So no not all women want to bleed a man dry during divorce.

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If I feel he is not holdin up his part in marriage I’m gonna tell that man to shape up.

That attitude of telling him to "shape up" is disrespectful towards your husband ... not to mention referring to him as "that man".  I understand what you're trying to say, but saying it this way is disrespectful.  Nor should a devoted Catholic couple ever "talk quits" ... unless it's to the point of being grave enough to legitimately justify separation.

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That attitude of telling him to "shape up" is disrespectful towards your husband ... not to mention referring to him as "that man".  I understand what you're trying to say, but saying it this way is disrespectful.  Nor should a devoted Catholic couple ever "talk quits" ... unless it's to the point of being grave enough to legitimately justify separation.
Just in case anyone thinks Ladislaus is only saying this from a male perspective, I completely agree with him.

The husband is the head of the family.  While a man and woman have equal dignity before God, a marriage is not a partnership of equals.  If anyone does not understand this, please read the homily I posted earlier today: https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/a-homily-on-marriage-by-st-john-chrysostom/msg616869/?topicseen#msg616869

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For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the Church: and He is the Saviour of the Body. There fore as the Church is subject unto Christ, so let wives be subject to their own husbands in everything. Notice that after saying the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church, he immediately says that the Church is His Body, and He is Himself its Saviour. It is the head that upholds the well-being of the body. In his other epistles Paul has already laid the foundations of marital love, and has assigned to husband and wife each his proper place: to the husband one of leader and provider, and to the wife one of submission. Therefore as the Church is subject to Christ–and the Church, remember, consists of both husbands and wives—so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands, as to God. 

But this is only half of the teaching.  St. John Chrysostom addresses husbands:

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You have seen the amount of obedience necessary; now hear about the amount of love necessary. Do you want your wife to be obedient to you, as the Church is to Christ? Then be responsible for the same providential care of her, as Christ is for the Church. And even if it becomes necessary for you to give your life for her, yes, and even to endure and undergo suffering of any kind, do not refuse. Even though you undergo all this, you will never have done anything equal to what Christ has done. You are sacrificing yourself for someone to whom you are already joined, but He offered Himself up for one who turned her back on Him and hated Him. In the same way, then, as He honored her by putting at His feet one who turned her back on Him, who hated, rejected, and disdained Him as tie accomplished this not with threats, or violence, or terror, or anything else like that, but through His untiring love; so also you should behave toward your wife.


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Totally understand what you’re saying, and duly noted!