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Offline MaterDominici

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When there is an awaking to the despotism of state marriage licenses, it's women who still insist on getting it, while many men are leary of it. That shows you the mindset.
Please provide data to support your assertion. What percentage of Catholic fiances have reached your level awareness and still insisted on a license despite their husband-to-be's objections?

Please provide data to support your assertion. What percentage of Catholic fiances have reached your level awareness and still insisted on a license despite their husband-to-be's objections?
You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it.

If you want evidence, simply Google search "MGTOW" or related subjects, and you'll see the exponential numbers of men who aren't MGTOW, per se, themselves, but they still strongly support prenups and avoiding marriage licenses. They're not MGTOW because they still carefully plan on getting married. Also, in states with common law "marriages", they naturally insist on prenups to protect them.

The numbers of Catholics in such an awakening doesn't matter. What matters is the reality of the epidemic of "divorces" sought by women, and the courts favoring the women despite their reason or lack of reason for the "divorce". The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. What does matter is Catholics need to take notice. Observe, orient, decide & act.

Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. There was once a time when the Church was living Holy Tradition, but Vatican II happened. If Vatican II can happen to the Bride of Christ, then trad Catholic women can be infected with the world, thus turn on her husband and try to take everything he built and earned. Didn't Newchurch, through Vatican II, take most, if not all, of true Church's property and wealth? Yes, it did. Individual women are more easily corrupted than the Church. So why shouldn't a man get a prenup and avoid a marriage license to protect himself?


You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it.

If you want evidence, simply Google search "MGTOW" or related subjects, and you'll see the exponential numbers of men who aren't MGTOW, per se, themselves, but they still strongly support prenups and avoiding marriage licenses. They're not MGTOW because they still carefully plan on getting married. Also, in states with common law "marriages", they naturally insist on prenups to protect them.

The numbers of Catholics in such an awakening doesn't matter. What matters is the reality of the epidemic of "divorces" sought by women, and the courts favoring the women despite their reason or lack of reason for the "divorce". The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. What does matter is Catholics need to take notice. Observe, orient, decide & act.

Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. There was once a time when the Church was living Holy Tradition, but Vatican II happened. If Vatican II can happen to the Bride of Christ, then trad Catholic women can be infected with the world, thus turn on her husband and try to take everything he built and earned. Didn't Newchurch, through Vatican II, take most, if not all, of true Church's property and wealth? Yes, it did. Individual women are more easily corrupted than the Church. So why shouldn't a man get a prenup and avoid a marriage license to protect himself?

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Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. 
Those two things are contradictory and you already know which of them I said. The other I did not.

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You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it. 
I refer to Catholics when YOU refer to Catholics. You said, "Why do you (women) demand that there be no prenup and demand a state marriage license?" Everyone here is a Catholic and so you are talking about Catholics. If you weren't, you wouldn't have said "you". (or is this another example of your misuse or pronouns?)

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The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. 
You shoot yourself in the foot here again. Married Catholics do not have ownership apart from their spouse. They join their assets together in marriage and work & earn together during their married life. Everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves.
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Now, if you'd use precise language, you could point out here that sometimes an unjust levy is issued against the man where he has to provide for his ex-spouse a level of support that he can't even provide for himself. This is unjust and could be remedied with a proper agreement beforehand. There are other injustices that you also could have mentioned, but instead you chose to attack the very nature of married life with your un-Catholic attitude.

Those two things are contradictory and you already know which of them I said. The other I did not.
You still imply it in your arguments throughout these masterful threads.


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I refer to Catholics when YOU refer to Catholics. You said, "Why do you (women) demand that there be no prenup and demand a state marriage license?" Everyone here is a Catholic and so you are talking about Catholics. If you weren't, you wouldn't have said "you". (or is this another example of your misuse or pronouns?)
I mean the women here AND the general public of women. Again, trad Catholic women and those posing as "trads", here, aren't immune to the dispositions of modern women. They harbor a lot of it already.


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You shoot yourself in the foot here again. Married Catholics do not have ownership apart from their spouse. They join their assets together in marriage and work & earn together during their married life. Everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves.
Tell that to the Catholic women "divorcing" their husbands and using the courts to steal most of what he owns. If these Catholic women truly believed and lived it, they wouldn't be engaging in court-sanctioned larceny against the husband. This is why a prenup is necessary. Also, the wife has no title to what the man earned and built before he married her. She, being his wife, naturally, must share in it, but if she "divorces" him, she should get none of it. The prenup should have this guaranteed protection. The assets, wealth, savings, etc they earn while they're married belong to both of them, equally, for the betterment of the family. The prenup is fair when it allows what they earned and built during their marriage to be divided according to each person's contribution to it, if the marriage ends in "divorce". If the husband saves $200,000  and the wife saves 1/4 of that at $50,000, during their marriage, and then "divorce" occurs, the wife shouldn't get $75,000 of what the man contributed as to effect an equal payout. The prenup should protect the man against this unjust redistribution. She only equally shares in whatever they both provide while they're faithfully married. However, whatever than man built & acquired on his own before the marriage, he keeps all of it, and the wife has no title to it.


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Now, if you'd use precise language, you could point out here that sometimes an unjust levy is issued against the man where he has to provide for his ex-spouse a level of support that he can't even provide for himself.
More than sometimes. It's weaponized larceny against married men who get "divorced" by their wives.


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This is unjust and could be remedied with a proper agreement beforehand. There are other injustices that you also could have mentioned, but instead you chose to attack the very nature of married life with your un-Catholic attitude.
I never attacked the nature of married life. I reckon marriage life is neat. Man just has to protect himself by getting a prenup and avoiding a state license.

In fact, I paid homage to REAL marriage, which is done through the Holy Sacrament of the Church, for that is the only marriage I recognize. It's the only marriage God sees, too, not "marriage" contracted by the state.