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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2018, 03:00:46 PM »
Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 02:40:40 PM
Wrong. You're not even properly catechized in the Faith as a convert.

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins." ~ Matthew 26:28

Christ didn't say "for all". The word "many" isn't the same as "all", nor does it mean a majority. It can mean a sizable minority, such as those who are Catholic. Being Catholic means you are a member of Christ's Mystical Body. A person is married to Him through the Church. However, as we know by His own words, few of these Catholics will be saved, while most of the others, due to lukewarmness & sin, will be cast into everlasting perdition, even those who call upon His Name at Judgement. Read Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 18:8; Matthew 7:14; Revelation 3:16.

His Sacrifice redeems ONLY the faithful who are without stain of mortal sin, and who are baptized with water & Spirit. This proves the Lord God has boundaries. His salvation is for only the elect - the Catholic faithful who die without mortal sin, which is why He gave us the Sacraments.

Man is permitted by God to have boundaries when dealing with a disobedient wife. Her disobedience shows a lack of love for him. One of these boundaries can be a prenup, if the unfortunate case arises that the wife turns against the husband through a "divorce".

You lose, again.
Council of Trent:

"But, though He died for all, yet do not all receive the benefit of His death, but those only unto whom the merit of His passion is communicated. "

He died for all, but not all will benefit.  Christ knew beforehand that there would be those who will disobey and not love him.

You're still wrong Croix.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2018, 06:04:51 PM »
Quote from: Carissima on June 30, 2018, 11:37:25 AM
Prenuptial agreement and financial stability be damned, it is the soul of the spouse and their eternal destiny, that is what matters.

Well put.  Croix has imbibed so much of the world that he's completely forgotten this Catholic perspective.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »

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Prenuptial agreement and financial stability be damned, it is the soul of the spouse and their eternal destiny, that is what matters. 
Your idealism is nice, but it has no practical application.  Explain to me how a husband has ANY influence on his wife's salvation, if she is incentivized by the State to destroy the marriage, steal the children and get paid for it?  Once she's gone, you have ZERO influence on her life and VERY LOW influence on your children's as well.  All you're left with is prayer (which prayers, no matter how good, cannot affect free will, which your wife used to destroy the marriage).  So all your spiritual sentiments sound lovely, but they are meaningless, practically speaking.

The purpose of the whole prenup debate is to ADD PRACTICAL, REAL-LIFE CONSEQUENCES to DIS-INCENTIVIZE a wife from leaving.  (The husband already has dis-incentives to leave, because he'll lose his children and most of his money).  Without any consequences, all a husband can do is "hope and pray" his marriage doesn't end due to a frivolous or emotional reason by his wife.  Prayer alone does not solve every problem.
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Offline TxTrad

Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2018, 08:06:34 PM »
Quote from: Carissima on June 30, 2018, 11:37:25 AM
Sorry, but you are dead wrong.

And you have most definitely proved that it would not be prudent for you to marry until your error is corrected.

Christ delivered Himself up for souls..the husband and wife deliver themselves up for each other.
Both the husband and wife have a spiritual duty to get each ones soul to Heaven. It is a Life’s Mission in the Marriage State.
If one of the spouses fails and turns to a life of sin (or minor faults/overall weakness) it is the responsibility of the other spouse to obtain the grace on behalf of the failing one to merit their conversion back from error.

This is a very simple fact of Catholic Marriage, and for you Croix it is completely missing from your sense and understanding of the Sacrament of Matrimony and the Marriage State.

Prenuptial agreement and financial stability be damned, it is the soul of the spouse and their eternal destiny, that is what matters.
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It's because he's a teenage who thinks he knows everything.
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Offline TxTrad

Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2018, 08:09:12 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 30, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
 Prayer alone does not solve every problem.
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You need more Faith.  Prayer CAN solve every problem.  
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