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Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
« on: June 29, 2018, 02:06:16 PM »
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    • Ephesians 5:22-25
    Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: 23Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. 24Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. 25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it. . .

    When seen in context, the Bible actually makes sense.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2018, 09:41:56 PM »
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    • Yes, it makes sense.  Beautiful. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2018, 09:44:23 PM »
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    • Thank you, Cera. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2018, 09:46:02 PM »
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    • * In marriage: The man's duty is to be masculine, and to make decisions. The woman's duty is to feminine, and to be cooperative.

    The traditional husband encourages his wife to be feminine. He leads her. He takes care of her. He is her lover and protector.

    Under his guardianship, his wife is calm. She can safely rely on him as a husband, and be a devoted mother and caring wife.
     
     The traditional wife is an assistant to her husband. She encourages him to be masculine. She inspires and supports him regarding his affairs.
     
     Furthermore, she believes in him and is proud of him, thereby helping him to be resolute and responsible.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2018, 09:06:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 29, 2018, 10:52:03 PM
    Likewise, a man is not obligated to deliver himself up for a disobedient, wicked wife whose very actions reflect her lack of faith in her husband.

    This is COMPLETELY FALSE.  Your obligations to her do not cease because she has failed on her end.  You're sounding exactly like that heretical "pastor" you keep promoting, that it's OK to jettison a disobedient wife.  That is not a Catholic principle.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2018, 11:01:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on June 29, 2018, 02:06:16 PM
    Ephesians 5:22-25
    Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: 23Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. 24Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. 25Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it. . .

    When seen in context, the Bible actually makes sense.
    An anti-Catholic troll is loose on these threads to thumbs down a Scripture passage. Sad soul needs prayers. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2018, 11:37:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 29, 2018, 10:52:03 PM

    Likewise, a man is not obligated to deliver himself up for a disobedient, wicked wife whose very actions reflect her lack of faith in her husband.

    Apparently, you didn't see this Bible verse in the correct whole context.
    Sorry, but you are dead wrong. 

    And you have most definitely proved that it would not be prudent for you to marry until your error is corrected.

    Christ delivered Himself up for souls..the husband and wife deliver themselves up for each other. 
    Both the husband and wife have a spiritual duty to get each ones soul to Heaven. It is a Life’s Mission in the Marriage State. 
    If one of the spouses fails and turns to a life of sin (or minor faults/overall weakness) it is the responsibility of the other spouse to obtain the grace on behalf of the failing one to merit their conversion back from error. 

    This is a very simple fact of Catholic Marriage, and for you Croix it is completely missing from your sense and understanding of the Sacrament of Matrimony and the Marriage State. 

    Prenuptial agreement and financial stability be damned, it is the soul of the spouse and their eternal destiny, that is what matters. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2018, 11:40:54 AM »
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    • I sure am glad that Christ didn't expect us to sign a "pre-nup" before he climbed onto His Cross.  He got on the Cross even though every single one of us didn't deserve it.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #8 on: June 30, 2018, 11:53:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 30, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
    I sure am glad that Christ didn't expect us to sign a "pre-nup" before he climbed onto His Cross.  He got on the Cross even though every single one of us didn't deserve it.
    Yes! This is a relief to be sure.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #9 on: June 30, 2018, 12:39:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
    Lame rhetorical nonsense. You think it's clever but it's a failure.

    Jesus Christ's Sacrifice and Blood covers only Catholics baptized into Him with water and Spirit, and who die with no mortal sins on their souls. These faithful (water Baptism and adhere to the Faith) are the only true members of the Catholic Church - the only Ark of Salvation - to whom Christ is married. By their faith and works, they show their love, glorification and obedience to God. Jesus Christ didn't sacrifice Himself for anyone outside of His Church. Just as God gave the perfidious Jєωs a bill of divorce for rejecting, betraying and crucifying His Son, anyone outside of the Church is no spouse of Christ.

    Likewise, no man is obligated to sacrifice himself for a disobedient wife who doesn't love him. Prenups protect the man from predatory women who would steal everything of which he built and earned. God gave us brains and prudence. Man should use them to protect himself from these pigs of Hades. Nothing wrong with prenups.

    You have no real argument.
    You fail in your reasoning, and miserably so.
    You equate Christ saving souls who die in His grace to a wife who is still living but only away from you.
    If you don’t see this gaping hole in your logic, I don’t think anyone can help you short of a miracle from Heaven. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #10 on: June 30, 2018, 12:46:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
    Christ didn't deliver Himself up for apostates, heretics & schismatics. They're outside the Church and they're disobedient to the Church. He didn't deliver Himself up for unrepentant sinners.

    A husband is only obligated to deliver himself up for a truly faithful, loyal & obedient wife, not the wicked pigs so ubiquitous in these latter days.

    Not until death do you part. 
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #11 on: June 30, 2018, 02:12:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 12:20:26 PM
    Lame rhetorical nonsense. You think it's clever but it's a failure.

    Jesus Christ's Sacrifice and Blood covers only Catholics baptized into Him with water and Spirit, and who die with no mortal sins on their souls. These faithful (water Baptism and adhere to the Faith) are the only true members of the Catholic Church - the only Ark of Salvation - to whom Christ is married. By their faith and works, they show their love, glorification and obedience to God. Jesus Christ didn't sacrifice Himself for anyone outside of His Church. Just as God gave the perfidious Jєωs a bill of divorce for rejecting, betraying and crucifying His Son, anyone outside of the Church is no spouse of Christ.

    Likewise, no man is obligated to sacrifice himself for a disobedient wife who doesn't love him. Prenups protect the man from predatory women who would steal everything of which he built and earned. God gave us brains and prudence. Man should use them to protect himself from these pigs of Hades. Nothing wrong with prenups.

    You have no real argument.
    In other words, you are more concerned with worldly matters.
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    Re: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himsel
    « Reply #12 on: June 30, 2018, 02:18:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 30, 2018, 02:12:46 PM
    In other words, you are more concerned with worldly matters.
    Lame narrative.

    It seems you're more concerned with worldly matters because you want women to retain the power over men in their marriages through the threat of "divorce", a lack of a prenup, and the issuance of a state marriage license (worldly) thereby, garnering his life's work for herself.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 30, 2018, 02:25:30 PM »
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    • And you are wrong.  Christ died on the Cross to redeem ALL men...knowing full well that not everyone would believe in Him, knowing full well men would disobey Him anyway. 
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 02:18:04 PM
    Lame narrative.

    It seems you're more concerned with worldly matters because you want women to retain the power over men in their marriages through the threat of "divorce", a lack of a prenup, and the issuance of a state marriage license (worldly) thereby, garnering his life's work for herself.
    I'm talking about Christ's selfless Sacrifice and you're the one obsessed with protecting your money and wealth.  
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