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Offline JezusDeKoning

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2vermont is a Jєωιѕн convert, so it seemed like you were doubting her conversion.
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If you're going to take the advice of a bumbling, rambling non-Christian pissant with the emotional maturity of a 30-year-old basement dweller who hasn't seen daylight or a girl since the Van Buren administration over centuries of Catholic doctrine, then shame on you! Go to the Hebrew Israelite church, then!
You're being rather harsh to "pastor" Dowell there. He's not stupid or immature, but he's also not Christian. You can't extract "practical" advice from someone whose view of the world is diametrically opposed to yours unless all you're looking for is gardening tips. (He's got an awesome garden, btw.)
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If a Muslim vlogger suggested that marriage licenses were to be avoided, I might take the idea and research it myself, but, I'd certainly have to ask myself why I was watching the Muslim's videos to begin with. Furthermore, I certainly wouldn't use the original video as support for what my research concludes when presenting it to a group of Catholic peers for further discussion.
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Why do you (women) demand that there be no prenup and demand a state marriage license?
Why don't you tell us who here has demanded a marriage license? I'd bet that 99% of the married women here were obedient to their soon-to-be-husband who sought out a marriage license at the direction of the cleric who married them.
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You're being rather harsh to "pastor" Dowell there. He's not stupid or immature, but he's also not Christian. You can't extract "practical" advice from someone whose view of the world is diametrically opposed to yours unless all you're looking for is gardening tips. (He's got an awesome garden, btw.)

Yeah, pseudo-intellectuals like JezusDeKonig, who also LARP, like to thumb their noses at other people such as Dowell, albeit, he's a heretic, who still have way more brains than JDK, and will build far more than he ever will...
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Iron Cross, if I came off as flippant and rude, then my bad. None of it is personal, it's attacking your approach to this.

But you gotta change how you think of things. Really. 
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Why don't you tell us who here has demanded a marriage license? I'd bet that 99% of the married women here were obedient to their husband who sought out a marriage license at the direction of the cleric who married them.

Nice try, but wrong analysis, for most, if not all, of the men were clueless about the despotic role of state marriage licenses, nor did they know they could have opted out. They were simply going through the motions.
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Nice try, but wrong analysis, for most, if not all, of the men were clueless about the despotic role of state marriage licenses, nor did they know they could have opted out. They were simply going through the motions.
...and yet you accuse the women of motive? Is there some sort of women-only, mandatory class on subversion via marriage licenses that I'm not aware of?
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Iron Cross, if I came off as flippant and rude, then my bad. None of it is personal, it's attacking your approach to this.

But you gotta change how you think of things. Really.

Really, you should stop LARP-ing. Your identity and stances on issues change a lot on this forum, and you try to come off as an intellectual and defender of the Faith, but all you did, which I pointed out on numerous threads, was display your ignorance about a number of issues, including Catholic terms; and you oppose somebody by illogically attacking something they don't even stand for...
Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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Yeah, pseudo-intellectuals like JezusDeKonig, who also LARP, like to thumb their noses at other people such as Dowell, albeit, he's a heretic, who still have way more brains than JDK, and will build far more than he ever will...

Do not merely judge material things, but also things unseen.

By a Catholic's prayers they can save themselves and the souls of others, and loosen the chains of the faithful trapped in flames.

If Dowell does not convert to the Catholic faith, what would it matter if he built up the whole world? Acts of spiritual mercy are greater than those material. Besides, woe to Dowell, who is not only a heretic, but teaches others to become heretics.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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...and yet you accuse the women of motive? Is there some sort of women-only, mandatory class on subversion via marriage licenses that I'm not aware of?
When there is an awaking to the despotism of state marriage licenses, it's women who still insist on getting it, while many men are leary of it. That shows you the mindset.
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When there is an awaking to the despotism of state marriage licenses, it's women who still insist on getting it, while many men are leary of it. That shows you the mindset.
Please provide data to support your assertion. What percentage of Catholic fiances have reached your level awareness and still insisted on a license despite their husband-to-be's objections?
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Please provide data to support your assertion. What percentage of Catholic fiances have reached your level awareness and still insisted on a license despite their husband-to-be's objections?
You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it.

If you want evidence, simply Google search "MGTOW" or related subjects, and you'll see the exponential numbers of men who aren't MGTOW, per se, themselves, but they still strongly support prenups and avoiding marriage licenses. They're not MGTOW because they still carefully plan on getting married. Also, in states with common law "marriages", they naturally insist on prenups to protect them.

The numbers of Catholics in such an awakening doesn't matter. What matters is the reality of the epidemic of "divorces" sought by women, and the courts favoring the women despite their reason or lack of reason for the "divorce". The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. What does matter is Catholics need to take notice. Observe, orient, decide & act.

Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. There was once a time when the Church was living Holy Tradition, but Vatican II happened. If Vatican II can happen to the Bride of Christ, then trad Catholic women can be infected with the world, thus turn on her husband and try to take everything he built and earned. Didn't Newchurch, through Vatican II, take most, if not all, of true Church's property and wealth? Yes, it did. Individual women are more easily corrupted than the Church. So why shouldn't a man get a prenup and avoid a marriage license to protect himself?
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You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it.

If you want evidence, simply Google search "MGTOW" or related subjects, and you'll see the exponential numbers of men who aren't MGTOW, per se, themselves, but they still strongly support prenups and avoiding marriage licenses. They're not MGTOW because they still carefully plan on getting married. Also, in states with common law "marriages", they naturally insist on prenups to protect them.

The numbers of Catholics in such an awakening doesn't matter. What matters is the reality of the epidemic of "divorces" sought by women, and the courts favoring the women despite their reason or lack of reason for the "divorce". The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. What does matter is Catholics need to take notice. Observe, orient, decide & act.

Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. There was once a time when the Church was living Holy Tradition, but Vatican II happened. If Vatican II can happen to the Bride of Christ, then trad Catholic women can be infected with the world, thus turn on her husband and try to take everything he built and earned. Didn't Newchurch, through Vatican II, take most, if not all, of true Church's property and wealth? Yes, it did. Individual women are more easily corrupted than the Church. So why shouldn't a man get a prenup and avoid a marriage license to protect himself?
Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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Your fallacy is thinking trad Catholics are too righteous to succuмb to this epidemic, simply because they're trads. Trads are every bit as human as any other person, and they're "divorcing" each other and wrecking their own families. too. You even mentioned an example of some harlot who "divorced" her husband, left the Faith, all after having 10 kids with him, and getting the courts to make him pay for supporting the children while she's "married" to another man. You think it will stop there? You still maintain that trads as a whole are impervious to it. 
Those two things are contradictory and you already know which of them I said. The other I did not.

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You're asking the wrong question. You're trying to shape reality to fit skewed perceptions of Catholics, and then base questions off of it. 
I refer to Catholics when YOU refer to Catholics. You said, "Why do you (women) demand that there be no prenup and demand a state marriage license?" Everyone here is a Catholic and so you are talking about Catholics. If you weren't, you wouldn't have said "you". (or is this another example of your misuse or pronouns?)

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The women use the courts to steal what the man owns and built his entire life. 
You shoot yourself in the foot here again. Married Catholics do not have ownership apart from their spouse. They join their assets together in marriage and work & earn together during their married life. Everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves.
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Now, if you'd use precise language, you could point out here that sometimes an unjust levy is issued against the man where he has to provide for his ex-spouse a level of support that he can't even provide for himself. This is unjust and could be remedied with a proper agreement beforehand. There are other injustices that you also could have mentioned, but instead you chose to attack the very nature of married life with your un-Catholic attitude.
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Those two things are contradictory and you already know which of them I said. The other I did not.
You still imply it in your arguments throughout these masterful threads.


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I refer to Catholics when YOU refer to Catholics. You said, "Why do you (women) demand that there be no prenup and demand a state marriage license?" Everyone here is a Catholic and so you are talking about Catholics. If you weren't, you wouldn't have said "you". (or is this another example of your misuse or pronouns?)
I mean the women here AND the general public of women. Again, trad Catholic women and those posing as "trads", here, aren't immune to the dispositions of modern women. They harbor a lot of it already.


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You shoot yourself in the foot here again. Married Catholics do not have ownership apart from their spouse. They join their assets together in marriage and work & earn together during their married life. Everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves.
Tell that to the Catholic women "divorcing" their husbands and using the courts to steal most of what he owns. If these Catholic women truly believed and lived it, they wouldn't be engaging in court-sanctioned larceny against the husband. This is why a prenup is necessary. Also, the wife has no title to what the man earned and built before he married her. She, being his wife, naturally, must share in it, but if she "divorces" him, she should get none of it. The prenup should have this guaranteed protection. The assets, wealth, savings, etc they earn while they're married belong to both of them, equally, for the betterment of the family. The prenup is fair when it allows what they earned and built during their marriage to be divided according to each person's contribution to it, if the marriage ends in "divorce". If the husband saves $200,000  and the wife saves 1/4 of that at $50,000, during their marriage, and then "divorce" occurs, the wife shouldn't get $75,000 of what the man contributed as to effect an equal payout. The prenup should protect the man against this unjust redistribution. She only equally shares in whatever they both provide while they're faithfully married. However, whatever than man built & acquired on his own before the marriage, he keeps all of it, and the wife has no title to it.


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Now, if you'd use precise language, you could point out here that sometimes an unjust levy is issued against the man where he has to provide for his ex-spouse a level of support that he can't even provide for himself.
More than sometimes. It's weaponized larceny against married men who get "divorced" by their wives.


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This is unjust and could be remedied with a proper agreement beforehand. There are other injustices that you also could have mentioned, but instead you chose to attack the very nature of married life with your un-Catholic attitude.
I never attacked the nature of married life. I reckon marriage life is neat. Man just has to protect himself by getting a prenup and avoiding a state license.

In fact, I paid homage to REAL marriage, which is done through the Holy Sacrament of the Church, for that is the only marriage I recognize. It's the only marriage God sees, too, not "marriage" contracted by the state. 







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