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I don't have a detailed prenup in front of me, so I can't answer that.  My point is, if one of the spouses is screwed during divorce, the assets they "brought to the table" should be somehow protected from the unjust courts.  If you want to be fair, only the assets which the spouses purchased, worked or built TOGETHER should be shared.

That's fine and well, but Croix wasn't talking about what the couple brought into the marriage, he said that the assets they generated DURING marriage should be divided according to who saved what. At least, that's how I read it:

And I, also, said, "The payout is determined by what is dictated in the prenup that is obviously agreed to, and signed by, both man & woman before getting married".


Married Catholics do not have ownership apart from their spouse. They join their assets together in marriage and work & earn together during their married life. Everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves.

The husband is the head of the household. Only he should determine what is equitable within the family. It's not the wife's decision.

You're subtly trying use "Catholic piety" to infuse feminism and "equality" into the marriage.


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And yet...it's the woman who does the shopping and manages the household (typically).  In planning the food budget a man would be wise to seek his wife's input.   

And by the way, Mater stated "everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves".  You stated that to determine what is equitable is not the wife's decision.  "To determine what is equitable": what does that mean, exactly?  That we each get 50% of our labors?  I'm confused here.  It SOUNDS as if you're saying that the husband has the right to decide, for example, that if his wife cooks a meal, he's the one who decides who gets how much and what.  Or are you just speaking of monetary income?    

And yet...it's the woman who does the shopping and manages the household (typically).  In planning the food budget a man would be wise to seek his wife's input.  

And by the way, Mater stated "everything they both do is for the family, not for themselves".  You stated that to determine what is equitable is not the wife's decision.  "To determine what is equitable": what does that mean, exactly?  That we each get 50% of our labors?  I'm confused here.  It SOUNDS as if you're saying that the husband has the right to decide, for example, that if his wife cooks a meal, he's the one who decides who gets how much and what.  Or are you just speaking of monetary income?    

It is of the creeping feminist spirit to get technical and litigious-like on how money and other assets are distributed in the household.

The husband decides the money matters. It's simple. Leave it alone.

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It might not be called a dowry, but when you're talking about the population at large, a woman is almost as likely to have more than the man before they marry.
 Based on all the married couples I know, the man had more financial assets, by far.  I know that's not applicable everywhere, but the point is, even men AND women don't properly financially prepare for a married vocation.  Whether they're trad or totally pagan.  When they get married, whatever they need, they get a loan (outside of a home, this is horribly stupid).



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Even among Trads, there are those who think a young lady should busy herself with domestic skill-building while waiting for a husband 

She should, even if she decides to work too.  You can do both, not one or the other.


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and also those who think she should work toward supporting herself in the event that she never marries. 

If people treated marriage prep properly, then they would go on a retreat or something to pray to know what their vocation is.  When God enlightens them towards marriage (and He will enlighten them), then they would prep accordingly.  Again, one can work and still prep for domestic duties, though work should not be a priority and money should be spent wisely, with the idea of a future home in mind.


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And, on the other side of that equation... some Trad men try out a vocation for a time rather than moving right into a career.
That's what they should be doing.  That is within their purpose and duty as a man.

I'm really not sure what you're debating here.  Are you saying that dowrys are un-catholic?  They've been around for CENTURIES.  The entire reason we have the idea of Santa Claus comes from St Nicholas of Bari in the 300s, who saved 3 poor girls from slavery/prostitution by throwing bags of money into their rooms at night, so they could have a dowry to get married.  The father was so poor that he couldn't afford a dowry, so he was being tempted to sell them as slaves and St Nicholas wanted to protect their purity.

The dowry is a catholic idea (and even a socio-economic foundation) because only in our modern world (last 100 years) have we allowed women to 1) work outside the home, 2) go to college, 3) live alone.  This idea of independence was NEVER part of the history of the world for the last 3-4,000 years!  It's just. not. normal. for women to do these things.  And, in times past, it wasn't safe either.  But the main reason was because it was (and still is) contrary to their nature.