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Offline Matthew

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  • Here is how HMiS responded to someone claiming to be a "queer traditional Catholic" on another forum.
    It made so much sense, and was so Catholic and well-thought-out, I thought I'd re-post it here.


    According to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, to which we all pledge allegiance, which is itself the pure interpretation of Sacred Scripture and of Tradition, homosexual acts are gravely sinful and - if committed with full consent to the acts - a mortal sin which merits eternal punishment in hell. However, homosexuality being a grave psychological affective disorder, it can be licit and beneficial to maintain a group talking on how to overcome homosexuality and live a chaste life.

    Certainly there are - I fear - even traditionalist Roman Catholic priests who suffer from homosexual inclinations, but those who live according to those raw lustful gravely sinful feelings and drives, will have a hard life living saintly and not receiving Holy Communion in state of mortal sin.

    But what is your purpose in proudfully referring to yourself as a "queer". Even if I were "gay" (that is: homosexual), I would never refer to myself in such a way.

    I do not introduce myself by "Hi, I am a heterosexual young man who likes blond, white women who are well-shaped up and below" either whenever I introduce myself into a Roman Catholic - or even secular - forum. Even though that would not be a lie. It would be offensive and inappropriate though. Once again, such behaviour makes clear that much of such homosexual activity and definition is hormonally compulsive psychological behaviour lacking reason.

    I find it highly inappropriate the way you introduce yourself. As if you want to offend us. You do not offend me. I have lived through quite some weird experiences with homosexuals, including one trying to actively seduce one of my - extremely heterosexual - friends.

    God bless you; may you overcome your inclinations and try to live, like I (a heterosexual) try (until I find a nice girl who likes me and the Faith; or until a vocation of religious life), a life of chastity.
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    Offline MichaelSolimanto

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 12:53:47 AM »
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  • I would simply say, "You're a heterosexual with homosexual inclinations. We all need help in this life and have made decisions we wish we could change. No one likes to identify themselves by their sexuality but by how they can change others in a positive way. Why don't we pray together and think of the beauty of living a life which is pleasing to God?"

    Then say a small prayer if they are amenable without Protestant sermonizing prayers.
    God bless,
    Michael Solimanto


    Offline Carolus Magnus

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 08:07:49 AM »
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  • I would tell them they seem to be suffereing from schizophrenia and should seek help from a experienced psychologist.
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    Offline katoliko

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2007, 11:57:14 AM »
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  • I would say "Hi, I hope that means you struggle with ssa/homosexual inclinations but understand the teachings of the Church on the subject and live a chaste life."

    I wouldn't write anymore until he/she responds.  I do want to ask what HMiS asked, what is his purpose for introducing himself as a gay Catholic, but I wouldn't want to put him too much on the defensive and scare him away.

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2007, 09:19:11 AM »
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  • I'd say "Hello"!

    And then see how the conversation developed!

    Clare.


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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 01:36:23 PM »
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  • People got off on al kinds of soap-box tangents in this thread, diverting attention from one serious point:

    Sodomy is a sin of impurity that is contrary to nature (which can be known by unaided reason) - called 'unnatural vice' for centuries.

    As such, all who presently think otherwise need to be renewed in their minds in a radical manner.

    I never saw the original poster state plainly that he understood the truth about this disorder.  He may indeed understand this quite well, but I did not see him state it plainly.  Until that is cleared up, all other discussion seems out of order.

    HMiS' post was indeed well done.
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    Offline Matthew

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 02:00:44 PM »
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  • I especially like the part I just BOLDed.

    It's really true that for homosexuals, their whole world is "sex" which isn't the case for a rational, well-ordered human being.

    He also touched on the fact that there is an aspect of immaturity in the homosexual phenomenon. Namely, a boy of 12 is naturally "interested in" other boys -- which at that age means he wants to PLAY with them, because his mind should be far from sex, and usually is, unless he becomes corrupted by an outside force.

    When sex is brought into the picture too early, it becomes a large problem, as boys are still more comfortable around other boys at a young age.

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    Offline John Steven

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 10:50:47 PM »
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  • OK, I had to go look...

    That thread was just plain sad.


    Offline Clodovicus

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #8 on: May 07, 2007, 05:02:02 PM »
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  • "If you're Catholic, then I'm a whale"

    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 06:53:03 PM »
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  • Extra marem (???), nulla salus.

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    Offline Catholic Samurai

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #10 on: August 04, 2007, 10:52:53 PM »
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  •  :nunchaku:  :light-saber: I wouldnt say anything, I'd just let my Kitana ( Japanese sword ) do all the talking. If he dosnt want to say anything then my knife might put in his two cents. Wha... hold on... the ADL's at my door.   :good-shot: O.K now that thats taken care of...
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    Offline Matthew

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 11:02:28 PM »
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  • I'm picturing an Anime-esque samurai with a zeal against sexual perverts:

    Douseiai yatsu wa yurusanai! Sonna koto wo suru to, ore no katana ga...
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    Offline JoanScholastica

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 05:00:24 PM »
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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 07:10:53 PM »
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  • Taken literally the question is ridiculous.  In my years, no one ever walked up to me and say: "Hi, I'm Catholic" ... or "Hi, I'm homosexual".   Therefore, I estimate my chance next to nil for ever have someone throw me a combo of, "Hi, I'm a Catholic homosexual".

    Of course, I understand this to be a rhetorical, but it's also virtually impractical.  
    A person discussing his spirituality and/or his sexuality is already feeling that you have opened up to them and that there is a certain respect established.

    I personally would not crumble this relation and act like an ass.  This does not mean I cannot express my beliefs about those two conditions.  But I would not clam up on him or her.

    Offline Raoul76

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    How would you respond to "Hi, I'm a gay Catholic"?
    « Reply #14 on: June 04, 2009, 03:17:34 PM »
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  • Homosexuality is a grave sin.  However, having homosexual TENDENCIES is not a sin.  It's a disorder.  If the person manages not to act on them, he has done his duty to God.  If he does act on them and confesses, and sincerely tries to change, he has as good a chance as any of us.  

    Considering how promiscuous gay people are, I'd say he has a tough fight ahead of him.  But if he wins it, he wins it with honor.  

    I am a strict ( and straight ) guy, but it really bothers me when I hear people just condemn homosexuals in a blanket statement.  I can see why, considering the "gay crusade" shoved down our throats at every second.  But you only increase their defiance and make them hate Christ more when you talk like that.  They just think "Oh, I'll never make it," and then their hearts go dark and they go to Vatican II seminary and you know the rest of the story...  

    God is merciful.  He will see any sincere efforts that even a homosexual makes to follow the law.  Mind you, it must be SINCERE.  If he came up to me and said "I'm a gay Catholic!" as if it were a badge of honor, I'd know right away he wasn't sincere.  I'd avoid him like the plague.  He is taking pride in his aberration.  If I knew he was gay by his mannerisms, even though he was saying "I'm not gay, I'm not gay," I'd feel sorry for him and pray for him.  And if he said flat-out "I've always had an attraction to men and I have struggled against it all my life," I'd even cautiously admire him.

    St. Paul spoke against "Men with men WORKING that which is filthy."  He didn't say "Men thinking about that which is filthy."  Sometimes those thoughts pop into our heads and we have to chase them out.  It's no different with heterosexuals.  One day I'll be strolling along and suddenly a perverted image will pop into my head out of nowhere.  The devil is attacking me.  I have to say a "Hail Mary" and think of the beatitude of the saints and the peace of heaven.  Mary is the key here.  Thinking of her gentleness and grace and how offensive even the slightest sins of mind are to her, even though she is always ready to forgive them, never fails to shame me into correcting myself.  

    And if this doesn't work, I will burn myself with a lighter.  That's what I did when there was a girl at the gym flirting with me.  She certainly wasn't the marrying kind and this was no spiritual attraction; she was a classic minx, gliding about batting her eyelashes.  Just looking at her would flood my brain with sexual images.  So I told myself, "Until you stop thinking of her, you're going to get burned and it will hurt."  As I was driving home, doubled over with the pain of sexual desire, I would roast my arm with the lighter until it looked like an entree at El Pollo Loco.  Eventually I got sick of being burned and stopped going to the gym when I knew she'd be there.  I finally realized that I was torturing myself and to LOOK AWAY.  

    I don't think this is really any different with gays.  If they say they have a "stronger temptation" then heterosexuals I'd say they are full of pride as well as sinful lust.  I live in Los Angeles by the beach and cute girls of all kinds -- brunette, blonde, redhead, short, tall, thin, lush -- are EVERYWHERE.  Sometimes I pray that God takes me out in a car accident before I slip and commit a mortal sin after baptism.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

     

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