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Offline Lenten

How would you answer these objections of a Trans from Trad perspective?
« on: February 29, 2024, 04:22:09 PM »
I need help in addressing these way of thinking to convert transgender individuals.

What would be some ways to answer if a family member (adult) started going on T (testosterone) and said to the family, who are trying to make her stop, something like "You are just trying to find any reason to keep me the way you want to see me rather than who I am, claiming that I'm not actually trans..." So basically saying:
  • ...that the family that loves her the most in the world are being selfish in trying to make her stop T.
  • "You are telling me what not to do with my body for your purpose and not for me to whom my body belongs, why should I listen to anything you have to say."
  • "Trans is who I am," basically "I was born trans"
  • "You just say I'm not "really trans" and that I was influenced into it because you want to throw any argument and this is an easy argument"
  • "If i didn't truly feel like i needed to do this i would have given up after setbacks from family."

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Offline Yeti

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Re: How would you answer these objections of a Trans from Trad perspective?
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2024, 04:37:12 PM »
Bp. Sanborn wrote recently in one of his newsletters that a lot of transgender children have high rates of ѕυιcιdє and depression. He gave an interesting theory as to why this is so, and you may find this helpful. He said children now are being put through these Frankensein-like transformations before the reach puberty, i.e. before they understand the decision they are making. Then, when they reach puberty, they understand the proper relationship between the sexes, and they want to have a normal relationship. But what can they do? Who can they marry? Someone of the same (original) sex? Someone of their "new" sex? Neither one really works, and they realize they are stuck and have to go through life without a normal "relationship" to use a somewhat worldly term.

I don't know if the person you are talking about is an adult or not, but maybe explain this to her. Who is she going to spend her life with? A (real) man? A man is not interested in a woman who has changed her body into a "man". A woman? A woman is going to want a man, and a real man, not a woman who has turned herself into a fake "man". Another transgender person? Of what kind? There is no way any of this works.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: How would you answer these objections of a Trans from Trad perspective?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2024, 04:47:14 PM »
And despite the dreams of sci-fi (more properly called FANTASY), and the delusions of current-year activists, the fact remains that science is NOT currently able to change a woman into a man or vice-versa.

They can attempt a cruel mockery at best -- but way off the mark in every way that matters.

Despite the best efforts of satanic YOU-KNOW-HEW doctors developing the state of the art in surgeries and chemicals to this end.

A woman who goes "under the knife" to fully "transition" ends up being a MUTILATED WOMAN, not a MAN. There is a huge difference.

And you're right -- the only thing a Trans is good for is another trans. But you're still not "functional" as the other gender, and so -- you end up tempted to ѕυιcιdє. Which is why 40% of Trans attempt ѕυιcιdє. They are often referred to as "the 40%".

So...you're back to what Trans is to begin with: mental illness. We should not be invited, much less forced, to play along with a person's mental illness. Whether that person thinks he's Napoleon, a dog ("furry") or the other sex ("trans").

Young men have destroyed their hands with dry ice so they can get "paws" to become a "furry" (dog) because they are insane. The same for trans people. They grossly mutilate their bodies because they delusionally believe they are the opposite sex.
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: How would you answer these objections of a Trans from Trad perspective?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2024, 04:49:13 PM »
Quote from: Lenten on February 29, 2024, 04:22:09 PM
I need help in addressing these way of thinking to convert transgender individuals.

What would be some ways to answer if a family member (adult) started going on T (testosterone) and said to the family, who are trying to make her stop, something like "You are just trying to find any reason to keep me the way you want to see me rather than who I am, claiming that I'm not actually trans..." So basically saying:
  • ...that the family that loves her the most in the world are being selfish in trying to make her stop T.
  • "You are telling me what not to do with my body for your purpose and not for me to whom my body belongs, why should I listen to anything you have to say."
  • "Trans is who I am," basically "I was born trans"
  • "You just say I'm not "really trans" and that I was influenced into it because you want to throw any argument and this is an easy argument"
  • "If i didn't truly feel like i needed to do this i would have given up after setbacks from family."
Taking hormones won't fix their problems, only make it worse. Also it is themselves who are unable to accept who they are this is why they opt to change themselves.

Also the long term damage is immense. The only person being selfish is the trans person, they are putting false sentiments over logic and choosing to destroy themselves instead of listening to the advice of the people who actually care for them.
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Offline TKGS

Re: How would you answer these objections of a Trans from Trad perspective?
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2024, 05:06:09 PM »
I truly do not know how to address this from a "Trad perspective" especially since this person has clearly not been taught the Faith or, if she was, has clearly rejected the Faith.  I simply don't know how to respond to such people.

The one thing I do know is that this woman would no longer be permitted in my home nor would I or my family attend any function in which this woman who thinks she can be a man was present.  If we were lied to and this person arrived, we would leave.
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