And again you counsel lying. You are a willful, serial, habitual, unrepentant liar, a falsifier of Scripture.

What you should do is to study Summorum Pontificuм. Then get a group of your fellow traditional Catholics together and make a formal request in writing for there to be a celebration of the TLM. If they refuse then go to your bishop. If he refuses then go to the Vatican. It is important that you be respectful toward all of the legitimate authorities. Keep copies of all of your correspondence.
I think you should think in terms of the long term. It may not happen while you are in school, but if there is enough of a demand then it will happen.
One thing that I think is important and will help your cause is that you should in no way say or do anything that would tell the priests of the Novus Ordo that you are in any way rejecting Vatican II. That will strengthen your position when/if you need to appeal any denial of your petitions for the TLM.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/docuмents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html

I agree that Summorum Pontificuм could be appealed to if a person wants a diocesan TLM at a novus Ordo high school. However, it would be wrong to say that he (the OP) is not rejecting Vatican ll, unless it's the truth (I hope it isn't). I have to agree with Mark 79 that it would be dishonest to say that Vll is not being rejected unless it is true. Lying isn't a good idea ever.

As for the OP, I agree with those who say that it's better to wait it out, and just make it through high school. The OP can just try to make a case for tradition and against Modernism with his Novus Ordo friends. Understanding the basic issues is an important start. 

I agree that Summorum Pontificuм could be appealed to if a person wants a diocesan TLM at a novus Ordo high school. However, it would be wrong to say that he (the OP) is not rejecting Vatican ll, unless it's the truth (I hope it isn't). I have to agree with Mark 79 that it would be dishonest to say that Vll is not being rejected unless it is true. Lying isn't a good idea ever.

As for the OP, I agree with those who say that it's better to wait it out, and just make it through high school. The OP can just try to make a case for tradition and against Modernism with his Novus Ordo friends. Understanding the basic issues is an important start.

IN this situation the OP is not required to answer any questions that he is not asked.

Poche, you are a willful, serial, habitual, and unrepentant liar. You even falsified Scripture.


You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope

You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

What does any of this have to do with introducing the TLM to a Novus Ordo high school?

Huh? I thought this was about a young man wanting to have his Novus ordo high school become more traditional.  But I see it's turned into a name calling contest between two guys.

Huh? I thought this was about a young man wanting to have his Novus ordo high school become more traditional.  But I see it's turned into a name calling contest between two guys.

Here are the verifiable facts about the "name-calling."

Read what Poche said. Check his claimed source. Report back to us, especially if you enjoy having a serial liar among us.
Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.
You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge. 
Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301
Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:
"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)
You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082 
Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.
You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope 
You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.
Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/
First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.
Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion,"  https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784  Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.
Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.
"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!
Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

I would ask that in this thread and others like it we set aside our disagreements so that we can strategize on the best manner of bringing the TLM to more people.  

Ask that AFTER you ABJURE, REPENT, MAKE REPARATION FOR, and DO NOT REPEAT your unrepented, willful, serial, habitual lies, including falsification of Scripture.

Until then nothing is set aside.

Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. You are a lying sack of dirt.


You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope

You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.

Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism.

"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!

You keep asking "why," but you have been repeatedly answered—because you are an unrepentant, willful, serial, habitual liar, nothing you say can be trusted, not even "a" and "the."

My one wish is to promote the beauty and joy of the authentic Catholic Tradition.