Author Topic: How to Treat Effeminate Men? (Read 8176 times)

bowler · « **Reply #30 on:** November 06, 2013, 08:01:34 PM »

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I am not sure where you go to church Bowler but where I live I would have to live 50 lifetimes to see the sort of action you appear to have witnessed. Maybe we have bromide in the tap water here in the UK.

From your account one might conclude that half of your church-going men are experts in "speed seduction" and the other half struggle to get a date at all which appears to be a common complaint amoung young trads.

Have you really found it as common as your above post suggests?

To general, please be more specific.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #31 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:59:23 PM »

Soulguard:

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... you know that Jesus is portrayed as a feminine personality,

Whoa, I have to say that I missed that. What exactly do you mean?

It's strange, but when I grew up in the fifties, one rarely saw one of these contraptions, not in the movies or Tv, or ones own classroom. All of a sudden there's one on every corner. I don't think that in most cases the sing-song, lilting voice is born in their vocal box. Most of them like it, so they practice it until they've got it right.

bowler · « **Reply #32 on:** November 07, 2013, 09:41:02 AM »

Quote from: ggreg

I am not sure where you go to church Bowler but where I live I would have to live 50 lifetimes to see the sort of action you appear to have witnessed. Maybe we have bromide in the tap water here in the UK.

From your account one might conclude that half of your church-going men are experts in "speed seduction" and the other half struggle to get a date at all which appears to be a common complaint amoung young trads.

Have you really found it as common as your above post suggests?

Too general, please be more specific.

ggreg · « **Reply #33 on:** November 07, 2013, 12:29:36 PM »

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If you take out the same-sex part of it, I'd agree that at least one, sometimes two, people in most parishes are people to watch out for because they'll seduce women and teen girls, or act strangely around children. We're either told this (open secret sort of thing), or notice it and the child actually COMPLAINS.

We have one effeminate bachelor who's primarily just rich. It's not just his personal grooming habits, but his speech — and I mean the words he SAYS (though how he says them is a factor, too). He's older (50-60s?), and physically disabled (bad back), and perfectly round (5'3" tall and wide), so nobody "worries" about him being inappropriate, but visitors always assume he's homo.

I pray for him because he truly is scared of the silliest things (I'VE had to calm him down so I could kill the itty bitty spider with my fingers) and, well, he's scared of everything. He hoisted himself onto a chair when someone yelled "snake" once, leaving the women and children to fend for themselves (one older woman in her 70s walked over, picked up the harmless snake, and tossed it into the brush). He gets the "vapors," and says so (eg, "Girl, that scared me so bad I almost peed myself!"). We have to bring him water and calm him down. He uses a fan on himself like he's going through menopause, only it's his nerves (he's apparently ALWAYS been like that, needing to fan himself).

I adore the guy 100%; he's brilliant and funny, and I simply don't think he's gαy. He reminds me more of a eunuch (not interested in sɛҳuąƖ relations at all). But he's truly a poster boy for non-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ effeminism. Since scriptural eunuchs could be men of God (Daniel, for example), I think effeminates should shoot for those examples (Daniel stood UP for himself). As much as I enjoy his company, I fear he's got to man up a little. Good Lord he makes most of us women feel overly masculine.

I try to picture him being holy and humble ... he wouldn't do well in Purgatory, trust, so we've GOT to hope he's martyred. (Isn't that terrible!? I want him to go to Heaven, but the road... oh my.) Even then, I see him getting to Heaven and complimenting St. Peter on his robes, or complaining about dust specs in Heaven.

Does anyone even know how to pray for an effeminate man to "man up"? (I'm afraid I use those very words, and I even shrug a bit, because I don't know what to ask for!) Is there a patron saint for ...this effeminate condition? I read about Henry III and, well, I got nothing. (Except maybe a duel in his youth? But we can't duel! —I have no idea.)

Interesting. I have never met anyone like that at church other than the person I mentioned and I've been a Trad since 1978. While he was very camp, in all other ways he was a likeable chap and very devout.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 07, 2013, 02:42:53 PM »

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I have been considering the acceptance and promotion of "transɛҳuąƖism" over at FE, and I happened to watch the movie "Infamous," which depicts Truman Capote's life at the time of the writing of In Cold Blood.

Capote, a famous American writer, was notoriously effeminate -- he was extremely so...

Much more than that. He was blatantly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

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It caused me to consider how one should treat men who are extremely effeminate? I think we've all known of sissies from our youth who were very shocking in their behavior, their walk, their voices, and their interests. Some men are so effeminate that they seem to have a feminine build. As a child, and as depicted in the film which was set in the 1960s, I remember effeminate boys causing intense anxiety among both women and men.

Hmm that seems strange since the 60's had some of the biggest effeminate liberals and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lovers around: the hippies.

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Some men are so effeminate that it's extremely difficult for them to disguise it. What should they do? If they are celibate and not being brazen, how should one behave towards them?

Well again I don't agree with my grandfather on everything but I can thank the man for telling me and showing me how to be a real man in life and not a "sissy." I remember quite well back in my younger days he constantly critiqued me on everything I wasn't doing: not able to tie a tie, not able to do anything on my own, etc. and calling me out as a sissy if I ever showed emotion. Now I'm sure these days our effeminates would call such a thing "cruel behavior" by a grandfather towards his grandson but to me it was the perfect rearing in this world I needed to become the strong man I became today. It reflects the values of an older culture that would look in horror and disgust at today's boys (including our grown-up "men") running around whining and showing emotion. The man never hugged me (and I would never do such a thing to my boys either) but it's what he has done for me that has helped me out the most in this world: how to be a strong man who can survive life by manly strength and willpower.

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I have a former coworker who's effeminate. I speak to him and treat him kindly, but I don't discuss romantic relationships with him or anything that might lead him to disclose anything -- I've also taken to praying for his conversion just as I pray for my own conversion.

Hmm well I am reminded that with the allowing of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs into the priesthood because of the Vatican II ideal of "tolerance" it caused the most massive abuse the Church ever did: the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of young altar boys and the covering up of it.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:58:06 PM »

I have a better question:

How to treat overly MACHO guys. They are almost worse then extremely effeminate men.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:00:10 PM »

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Well again I don't agree with my grandfather on everything but I can thank the man for telling me and showing me how to be a real man in life and not a "sissy." I remember quite well back in my younger days he constantly critiqued me on everything I wasn't doing: not able to tie a tie, not able to do anything on my own, etc. and calling me out as a sissy if I ever showed emotion. Now I'm sure these days our effeminates would call such a thing "cruel behavior" by a grandfather towards his grandson but to me it was the perfect rearing in this world I needed to become the strong man I became today. It reflects the values of an older culture that would look in horror and disgust at today's boys (including our grown-up "men") running around whining and showing emotion. The man never hugged me (and I would never do such a thing to my boys either) but it's what he has done for me that has helped me out the most in this world: how to be a strong man who can survive life by manly strength and willpower.
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There is literally nothing wrong with showing emotion. I do not know how your grand-dad even came to that conclusion.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:31:50 PM »

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There is literally nothing wrong with showing emotion. I do not know how your grand-dad even came to that conclusion.

There is something definitely wroing with a man showing emotion, but I realize I am speaking to a generation of wimps who whine and cry about everything to not getting an award to breaking their cellphone. :rolleyes:

You know I always have to look with great embarassment upon men who "reveal" their emotions in public.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:35:30 PM »

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There is literally nothing wrong with showing emotion. I do not know how your grand-dad even came to that conclusion.

There is something definitely wroing with a man showing emotion, but I realize I am speaking to a generation of wimps who whine and cry about everything to not getting an award to breaking their cellphone. :rolleyes:

You know I always have to look with great embarassment upon men who "reveal" their emotions in public.

What is wrong with showing emotion? I guess laughing is bad? Crying? What if your wife/mother/close person died. Would you not show emotion?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:38:26 PM »

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What is wrong with showing emotion? I guess laughing is bad? Crying? What if your wife/mother/close person died. Would you not show emotion?

Laughing is not bad as long as it is a mutually funny incident. Yes crying is bad however of course one would show emotion upon a death in the family. We're speaking of crying over trivial and non-important things.

Sigismund · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:38:53 PM »

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There is literally nothing wrong with showing emotion. I do not know how your grand-dad even came to that conclusion.

There is something definitely wroing with a man showing emotion, but I realize I am speaking to a generation of wimps who whine and cry about everything to not getting an award to breaking their cellphone. :rolleyes:

You know I always have to look with great embarassment upon men who "reveal" their emotions in public.

Well, you would not want to be around me then. I am thoroughly Irish. We can cry over a sad song.

I am trying to take this seriously, becasue i generally want to show emotion by cheering your posts on politics, but suggesting that there is something wrong with being moved is just silly.

BitDudeX · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:40:15 PM »

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What is wrong with showing emotion? I guess laughing is bad? Crying? What if your wife/mother/close person died. Would you not show emotion?

Laughing is not bad as long as it is a mutually funny incident. Yes crying is bad however of course one would show emotion upon a death in the family. We're speaking of crying over trivial and non-important things.

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I kinda disagree with you. I actually believe the people of this generation need to show there EMOTIONS MORE OFTEN.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #42 on:** November 10, 2013, 10:05:08 PM »

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There is literally nothing wrong with showing emotion. I do not know how your grand-dad even came to that conclusion.

There is something definitely wroing with a man showing emotion, but I realize I am speaking to a generation of wimps who whine and cry about everything to not getting an award to breaking their cellphone. :rolleyes:

You know I always have to look with great embarassment upon men who "reveal" their emotions in public.

This doesn't really make any sense without further qualification. Crying is not "wrong." It is the outward expression of sorrow, just as laughing is the outward expression of hilarity or joy. It depends entirely on what someone is crying about or laughing it. And even at that, the crime isn't so much the outward expression itself, but the inward disposition that one may have that allows him to find sorrow over something that he shouldn't, or to find joy or hilarity in something he shouldn't.

Our Lord cried at Gethsemane. The Jєωs laughed at Him. See?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 10, 2013, 10:10:03 PM »

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Our Lord cried at Gethsemane. The Jєωs laughed at Him. See?

Our Lord cried because of the burden and sorrow of the sin of the world and because of the massive task that had to be accomplished because of original sin (i.e. being nalied to the Cross). It had nothing to do with a trivial concern like not winning a trophy for some championship or because your parents yell at you.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 10, 2013, 10:22:52 PM »

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I am trying to take this seriously, becasue i generally want to show emotion by cheering your posts on politics,

That seems rather strange since I thought a few people on here consider me an evil fascist, nαzι, racist, reactionary, homophobe, etc. who is just so cold and uncaring and hateful towards everyone in the world and would never get married. :wink: