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Offline Nadir

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How to Treat Effeminate Men?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2013, 04:35:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Hyperdox Nick
    How to treat effeminate men? As you would anyone else made in the Image and Likeness of God.

    Every one of us has their own cross to carry as we try to become like Christ. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should see God's Goodness, Love and Mercy in each of us, and then we can in time introduce them to God's Holy Church, the hospital for all of us sinners. Shunning them reflects a Pharisaical hardness of heart incompatible with Christ and His Kingdom.


    A wise and humble post, Nick.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2013, 06:53:29 PM »
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  • The Church is not a hospital.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2013, 07:51:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    The Church is not a hospital.



    Where else does one go to be treated for and cured of the insanity of sin?

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    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2013, 10:18:27 PM »
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  • A "hospital" implies you're paying for treatment for a condition, after which you'll leave. You don't leave the Church.  The Church is NOT a hospital; the Church is a KINGDOM in which we reside all the time. In varying conditions, maybe, but we don't come and go.
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    How to Treat Effeminate Men?
    « Reply #19 on: October 26, 2013, 10:43:02 PM »
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  • The Church in this life should be an army...not a triage tent after a battle.
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    « Reply #20 on: October 26, 2013, 10:59:23 PM »
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  • Yes: a Church MILITANT marching into battle! A Kingdom! Soldiers armed with armor of truth and so forth. Something to be protected and cherished.

    Not a triage. I really didn't like that Frankism at all.
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    « Reply #21 on: October 27, 2013, 12:33:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Hyperdox Nick
    How to treat effeminate men? As you would anyone else made in the Image and Likeness of God.

    Every one of us has their own cross to carry as we try to become like Christ. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should see God's Goodness, Love and Mercy in each of us, and then we can in time introduce them to God's Holy Church, the hospital for all of us sinners. Shunning them reflects a Pharisaical hardness of heart incompatible with Christ and His Kingdom.



    I tried earlier to add to my post but the cement had dried and I lost it. Anyway hours later here is the redone version.

    Getting back on topic, the OP asked about effeminacy. Many people seem to think that effeminacy means ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, but not necessarily so.  

    A baby boy raised by a lone mother, or together with a violent, weak, or emotionally-absent father, without the benefit of the rough-and-tumble toughening-up process which can only be supplied by a father, may possibly grow up to act effeminately. He may not know how to act in a masculine way and/or his effeminate behaviour may be encouraged and even rewarded within the dysfunctional family.

    He will feel different from other boys. He will feel the lack of a true father. He may be singled out for name-calling etc and vulnerable to be preyed upon by unscrupulous characters.

    All these things don’t make for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, but he is in a very dangerous situation and he may find that the only friends he is able to make are unsavoury types.

    Behaviour is learned and it can be unlearned, not without great difficulty, prayer, fasting, the practice of the Sacraments and self-discipline. He will need to detach himself from the unchaste, and he will need male friend/s who will accept him as he is and hopefully he will be able to learn from them in a safe chaste environment how to be manly.

    This is a rare but possible scenario.

    This solution can also work for those ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who wish to be freed from their slavery, and they can overcome their sin and temptation to sin, with prayer, fasting, the practice of the Sacraments and self-discipline and the help and support of manly men.

    Such a work of Charity is not for every man, but there are those who are holy, balanced and virtuous  enough to do it.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 27, 2013, 01:12:47 AM »
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  • Agree with this Nadir.  There used to be a very effeminate layman at the SSPX in London for many years.  He didn't tell and nobody asked and he was accepted just fine by all the laity.  He was seen every Sunday for years and went on pilgrimages and processions on a regular basis.

    Nobody assumed that because he was camp/effeminate he was a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or even, necessarily, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖly inclined.  He had the good grace and sense to stay away from the topic and as far as I know, nobody ever asked him.  Eventually he died and was given a full Catholic burial.

    One has to be very careful with this stuff.  If you do have a Catholic living a chaste life and fighting their demons, the last thing they need is to be suspected a practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ when they are not one.  It's possible that an event like that could make them quit their effort and then God might hold the people or persons that were uncharitable responsible.  It is none of my business unless THEY make it so.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 27, 2013, 01:56:20 AM »
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  • It has been my observation that the people you need to watch out for are the very masculine ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men.

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    « Reply #24 on: October 27, 2013, 02:45:10 AM »
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    It has been my observation that the people you need to watch out for are the very masculine ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men.



    Yes, like the ones who populated the nαzι SA, aka the Brownshirts...

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    « Reply #25 on: October 27, 2013, 04:12:18 AM »
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    Quote from: poche
    It has been my observation that the people you need to watch out for are the very masculine ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men.



    Yes, like the ones who populated the nαzι SA, aka the Brownshirts...





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    « Reply #26 on: November 06, 2013, 03:23:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: Hyperdox Nick
    How to treat effeminate men? As you would anyone else made in the Image and Likeness of God.

    Every one of us has their own cross to carry as we try to become like Christ. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should see God's Goodness, Love and Mercy in each of us, and then we can in time introduce them to God's Holy Church, the hospital for all of us sinners. Shunning them reflects a Pharisaical hardness of heart incompatible with Christ and His Kingdom.


    That's a stereotypical cliché response from the "peace and love" world.

    re: As you would anyone else made in the Image and Likeness of God.

    Every person is made in the image of God, so what?

    re: Every one of us has their own cross to carry as we try to become like Christ. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs...

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is not "a cross to bare", it is "a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance". It involves corrupting other people.

    re:  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs should see God's Goodness, Love and Mercy in each of us, and then we can in time introduce them to God's Holy Church, the hospital for all of us sinners. Shunning them reflects a Pharisaical hardness of heart incompatible with Christ and His Kingdom

    They can see the goodness in us by how we live, and not by our getting involved directly with them. Change the above from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ to wife swapping party neighbors, or criminal parolee neighbor, or immoral fornicating teenager neighbor, and tell me if you would expose your wife and children to such people because "Shunning them reflects a Pharisaical hardness of heart incompatible with Christ and His Kingdom"?




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    « Reply #27 on: November 06, 2013, 03:33:47 AM »
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  • For me, the very sight of an effeminate man in my church, is a big red flag. This is someone to keep a close eye on. I watch them to see how they react to the young boys. If they are perverted, it will show.

    It is the duty of men to watch out for these people, because women do not have a good eye for this. In my experience, few men have an eye for it. Many times I have saved young men from being victimized, and no one even noticed. It does not take many people to do the job, but those with an eye to see, need to step up and do their duty.

    By the way, the same applies to watching for young men preying on the girls. There too, I don't see many people with an eye for watching out for them.

    I have children, and I consider others children as if they were my own. Most fathers today are too busy thinking about Sundays football games or some other such trivial matter, meanwhile, their daughter is being seduced right before their eyes.

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    « Reply #28 on: November 06, 2013, 08:48:02 AM »
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  • I am not sure where you go to church Bowler but where I live I would have to live 50 lifetimes to see the sort of action you appear to have witnessed.  Maybe we have bromide in the tap water here in the UK.

    From your account one might conclude that half of your church-going men are experts in "speed seduction" and the other half struggle to get a date at all which appears to be a common complaint amoung young trads.

    Have you really found it as common as your above post suggests?

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    « Reply #29 on: November 06, 2013, 01:32:01 PM »
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  • If you take out the same-sex part of it, I'd agree that at least one, sometimes two, people in most parishes are people to watch out for because they'll seduce women and teen girls, or act strangely around children. We're either told this (open secret sort of thing), or notice it and the child actually COMPLAINS.

    We have one effeminate bachelor who's primarily just rich. It's not just his personal grooming habits, but his speech — and I mean the words he SAYS (though how he says them is a factor, too). He's older (50-60s?), and physically disabled (bad back), and perfectly round (5'3" tall and wide), so nobody "worries" about him being inappropriate, but visitors always assume he's homo.

    I pray for him because he truly is scared of the silliest things (I'VE had to calm him down so I could kill the itty bitty spider with my fingers) and, well, he's scared of everything. He hoisted himself onto a chair when someone yelled "snake" once, leaving the women and children to fend for themselves (one older woman in her 70s walked over, picked up the harmless snake, and tossed it into the brush). He gets the "vapors," and says so (eg, "Girl, that scared me so bad I almost peed myself!"). We have to bring him water and calm him down. He uses a fan on himself like he's going through menopause, only it's his nerves (he's apparently ALWAYS been like that, needing to fan himself).

    I adore the guy 100%; he's brilliant and funny, and I simply don't think he's gαy. He reminds me more of a eunuch (not interested in sɛҳuąƖ relations at all). But he's truly a poster boy for non-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ effeminism. Since scriptural eunuchs could be men of God (Daniel, for example), I think effeminates should shoot for those examples (Daniel stood UP for himself). As much as I enjoy his company, I fear he's got to man up a little. Good Lord he makes most of us women feel overly masculine.

    I try to picture him being holy and humble ... he wouldn't do well in Purgatory, trust, so we've GOT to hope he's martyred. (Isn't that terrible!? I want him to go to Heaven, but the road... oh my.) Even then, I see him getting to Heaven and complimenting St. Peter on his robes, or complaining about dust specs in Heaven. :facepalm:

    Does anyone even know how to pray for an effeminate man to "man up"? (I'm afraid I use those very words, and I even shrug a bit, because I don't know what to ask for!) Is there a patron saint for ...this effeminate condition? I read about Henry III and, well, I got nothing. (Except maybe a duel in his youth? But we can't duel! —I have no idea.)
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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