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How to get modern kids into STEM and other successful careers?
« on: November 28, 2021, 01:44:25 AM »
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  • The first step is some kind of enforced discipline, removal of unlimited Internet and Social Media from their lives. I watch lots of electronics videos, and what the guys all have in common -- they spent hours tinkering with electronics when they were kids: back in the 70's and 80's (read: no Internet). The same with computer programming, or many other careers.

    The Internet is a powerful distraction with infinite depth, because human beings are on it. You can't get sick of it or explore all of it. It's a temptation that's always there, and we didn't have to deal with it back in the 80's. We were allowed to be "bored" so that building a circuit, exploring it, and step-by-step improving it was FUN by comparison. Sure there is satisfaction writing your own programs once you get focused. But you can't compete with video games, passive entertainment, and instant dopamine hits from Social Media.

    Cable TV had no choices and no temptation compared to today's options such as Youtube. Think of all the content for EVERYONE on that platform. That's assuming you can avoid the siren song of hanging out with people on social platforms.
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    Re: How to get modern kids into STEM and other successful careers?
    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 03:01:09 AM »
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  • Remove internet and give electronics kits. Simple as. I don't condone LEGO (don't give them your money) but 3D printing "LEGO style" pieces with gears etc can get guys in a mechanically inclined mindset. Combine this with Arduino and you have a real hobby for kids. Building things like working transmissions, generators etc is going to do wonders.

    Animal work is another good one for the very near future... Seeing how meat is going to get rare if they can raise meat and slaughter animals they will be golden. Not exactly STEM but anyone honest about where things are headed can see the immediate utility.
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    Re: How to get modern kids into STEM and other successful careers?
    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 11:01:25 AM »
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  • I thought there was no future for white people in STEM as they give all the jobs to Indian immigrants.
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    Re: How to get modern kids into STEM and other successful careers?
    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 11:53:07 AM »
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  • I have a feeling, the way things are going, that kids these days would be better off leaning subsistence and survival skills than STEM.  At some point, they will crash and destroy the economy, and most STEM type work will become highly automated, designed by AI, etc.  We have already seen this to some extent.  You used to have teams of engineers designing things from scratch on drafting paper using slide rules and books of formulas.  Now most of that is done by computer.

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    Re: How to get modern kids into STEM and other successful careers?
    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2021, 11:57:38 AM »
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  • I thought there was no future for white people in STEM as they give all the jobs to Indian immigrants.

    There's a great deal of truth to that.  I worked as a contractor for a number of  years at NASA, and I very much wanted to get in as an official NASA employee ("civil servants" they call them, laughably).  I was pretty much told to my face that I had ZERO chance given that I was a white male.  There were openings for which I applied nonetheless, which ended up being given away to women or minorities, positions that I was far better qualified for and in areas where I had a long track-record of success and experience, but they gave the positions to women and minorities fresh out of college ... a few of whom ended up demonstrating their incompetence within weeks of being hired.

    So with regard to STEM work in the government, white males need not apply.  And what remains in the private sector is shrinking rapidly as most of our manufacturing has gone to China and the third world.  That's why there was huge boom in IT.  As systems became more automated, they required more support.  But more and more IT is being automated.  You have cloud platforms like Microsoft Azure and Google AWS that manage and scale all the IT support resources pretty much automatically, so companies just put their stuff in the cloud instead of hiring local IT resources.

    As far as India goes, however, companies are still doing some offshorting, but every single project I've ever worked on that entailed some Indian offshoring was an unmitigated disaster.  Indian IT are seriously incompetent, and the wage gap is decreasing.  Nevertheless, we're getting closer to where you won't need software developers either, as AI will simply take in the requirements and build systems automaticall for people.  We see some trends toward that already.