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How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
« on: January 31, 2015, 08:38:11 PM »
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  • In a post-christian world where the lie of "subjective morality" is being accepted day by day it will cause a moral crisis and create a massive gap/power vacuum in terms of morality. People would see no reason to steal, murder and deceive thinking as long as they get away with it there will be no more consequences after that.

    The state/government will try to fill that gap and become like God. They will instead try to replace the notion of good, evil and inescapable consequence with physical consequences in order to bring people under control. This will result in more "realist" punishments in the justice system which means torture could come back and painful gruesome death penalty or life imprisonment could end up as first options always. Without God anything would be acceptable since it's "subjective morality" as long as you can get away with it while your alive. This leads to evil and the government trying to be God in a society that denies God or good and evil.

    With the return of these methods they could be abused for use in the persecutions and mass murder of Christians during the end of days. You've all heard of Atheistic regimes; Soviet Russia, Mussolini's Italy, North Korea or Pol Pot's Cambodia. Those regimes deny God along with the notion of good and evil altogether so you can see how they ended up using death, barbaric punishments or cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs as first options in the legal system. If neither the state believes in God or good and evil then they would have no reason to say their legal system is cruel and immoral either, it would be about control instead.

    In a society that does not fear, obey God and denies him you have a society focused on bringing people under control making them fear the legal system and try to get away, never turning themselves in or needing to know what they did was wrong and feel guilty for it and repenting.

    The lie of "subjective morality" will make the world a far more cruel place and the legal system more harsh and abusable.


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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2015, 02:08:38 AM »
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    the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty, The disbelief of good and evil


    Which is why it is important that Catholics actually engage hostile atheists in the public forum, not shirk away from it and punish those who step forward boldly (i.e. The Echo Chamber and Mark Shea).

    If atheists argue with rhetoric, do not try to reason with them.  Atheist rhetoric cannot be countered with Catholic dialectic.  You must argue back with Catholic rhetoric.  Insults must be matched with insults.  Fools must be brought low.  You must smirk and look down upon your opponents with pity for how acrid and pathetic they truly are.  

    And should you actually confront a hostile atheist who will meet you point for point, be prepared to defend yourself.  The internet is full of information, and Catholic forums are full of resources.

    Stop keeping your head down.  Stop going along to get along.  Stop being passive so that you are not banned.  These bastards have us in full retreat.  

    Hell, at this point, we should start investing our monies in an underground railroad of some kind and plan to just be pushed literally underground to hide from our overlords--such is our passive will.  Such is the permission we give to our persecutors.  

    Stand up to liberals.  
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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2015, 04:38:25 AM »
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  • True, godlessness is only a step away from lawlessness.

    Quote from: Nobel Laureate and historian Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
    More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

    Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 05:12:01 AM »
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    True, godlessness is only a step away from lawlessness.

    Quote from: Nobel Laureate and historian Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
    More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

    Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.


    As a result if they try to bring the future lawlessness under control they will most likely have to resort to extremes to make people fear being caught and tortured or tortured to death in order to behave. Since they would believe nobody will punish them at the end of their life and they would be able to get away with it and die a "peaceful death", the main focus of the sinful people would be to do it in a way they do not get caught.

    The authority ends up trying to fill the gap in a society of godlessness and also often ends up abusing the extreme measures it puts to make people behave. An extreme example is when the authority ends up making people believe they are the deity as shown by North Korea where the vast amount of its population are brainwashed into disbelief of God and that the closest thing to a deity is their leader/authority who also knows what they are thinking even from a distance. The North Korean regime is really strict and also makes people believe the authority or the dictator is their God. Godlessness can also lead to cult of personality because it creates such a spiritual and moral vacuum.

    If the atheists/anti-theists hate God, religion or a society that involves him in any way so much then why don't they queue to move/immigrate to North Korea where they will get what they have always wanted so much? I've always been puzzled by this. Plus in a debate when you confront them about it they say "THATS NOT TRUE ATHEISM!" in a "No true Scotsman" way. When it actually is as they proclaim to be atheist officially and some of the cult of personality are the fruits of it from the spiritual and moral vacuum from godlessness.

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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 11:30:23 PM »
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  • The majority of the people in Hell were those who didn't believe in its existence.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 08:42:57 AM »
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  • Our Lady of La Salette said there will be a great loss of Faith and murders everywhere around the world.

    I imagine murders will be as ubiquitous as the common cold.

    She also said plagues, famine, war & natural disasters will afflict the world.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 10:12:25 AM »
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    the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty, The disbelief of good and evil


    Which is why it is important that Catholics actually engage hostile atheists in the public forum, not shirk away from it and punish those who step forward boldly (i.e. The Echo Chamber and Mark Shea).

    If atheists argue with rhetoric, do not try to reason with them.  Atheist rhetoric cannot be countered with Catholic dialectic.  You must argue back with Catholic rhetoric.  Insults must be matched with insults.  Fools must be brought low.  You must smirk and look down upon your opponents with pity for how acrid and pathetic they truly are.  

    And should you actually confront a hostile atheist who will meet you point for point, be prepared to defend yourself.  The internet is full of information, and Catholic forums are full of resources.

    Stop keeping your head down.  Stop going along to get along.  Stop being passive so that you are not banned.  These bastards have us in full retreat.  

    Hell, at this point, we should start investing our monies in an underground railroad of some kind and plan to just be pushed literally underground to hide from our overlords--such is our passive will.  Such is the permission we give to our persecutors.  

    Stand up to liberals.  


    Both of you are wrong.  Pope Francis said that there are plenty of good atheists and that they will be in Heaven too.  

    Both of you are wrong if you think anything other than prayer and faith will get you through.

    But, in the absence of faith, I do think Laramie's point is a good one.  

    If someone says that they don't believe in God or the Bible or any form of religion just reply, "Since you are living a trashy, dead end life and using cliches for conversation, you didn't have to tell me you don't believe in God.  That's obvious for all to see."


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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 01:24:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nobel Laureate and historian Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
    More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

    Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.


    Of all the people in the world who were not Catholic, he is one of the ones who I most wish was a Catholic. I don't know much about him, though. I have one of his books but I have not read it yet.
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    How the rise of Atheism will lead to mass murder and cruelty
    « Reply #8 on: February 09, 2015, 08:41:49 PM »
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    Quote from: Nobel Laureate and historian Aleksander Solzhenitsyn
    More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

    Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.


    Of all the people in the world who were not Catholic, he is one of the ones who I most wish was a Catholic. I don't know much about him, though. I have one of his books but I have not read it yet.


    Some of these new atheists who hate all of Christianity have even converted to literal Stalinist bolshevism. One of them even carried out a violent attack on a christian pastor in 2013. See my news example thread for more info about it: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Example-Stalinist-New-Atheist-violently-assaults-pastor

    Anti-Theist Stalinist Atheist Bolsheviks sometimes even behave like Islamists.

    Some others who notice the worsening state of the world are looking towards bolshevism too.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 09, 2015, 11:43:12 PM »
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    Both of you are wrong.  Pope Francis said that there are plenty of good atheists and that they will be in Heaven too.  

    Both of you are wrong if you think anything other than prayer and faith will get you through.

    But, in the absence of faith, I do think Laramie's point is a good one.  

    If someone says that they don't believe in God or the Bible or any form of religion just reply, "Since you are living a trashy, dead end life and using cliches for conversation, you didn't have to tell me you don't believe in God.  That's obvious for all to see."



    You serious?

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