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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on September 24, 2023, 06:26:26 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apmq2Ktyd1I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apmq2Ktyd1I
My Dad required seatbelts in the 1960’s after being a volunteer EMT. He installed seatbelts in our 1956 Chevy station wagon, the one with car-eye tail lights!
We also didn’t smoke. It wasn’t allowed because of my mother’s asthma. Those guests who smoked were welcome to step out onto the porch.
That being said, the 1950’s, 1960’s, and 1970’s were even better. The PC stuff started to enter in the late 1960’s. For example, you couldn’t say “colored” anymore in reference to a black person. In the 1970’s, PC stuff related to feminism made its debut, like Ms. instead of Miss or Mrs. and you weren’t supposed to assume a policeman or fireman was a man!
These were social errors that might result in a verbal rebuke or insult, depending upon where you lived or to whom you said them. Nobody got cancelled, fired, expelled, or arrested for hate speech!
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My Dad required seatbelts in the 1960’s after being a volunteer EMT. He installed seatbelts in our 1956 Chevy station wagon, the one with car-eye tail lights!
We also didn’t smoke. It wasn’t allowed because of my mother’s asthma. Those guests who smoked were welcome to step out onto the porch.
That being said, the 1950’s, 1960’s, and 1970’s were even better. The PC stuff started to enter in the late 1960’s. For example, you couldn’t say “colored” anymore in reference to a black person. In the 1970’s, PC stuff related to feminism made its debut, like Ms. instead of Miss or Mrs. and you weren’t supposed to assume a policeman or fireman was a man!
These were social errors that might result in a verbal rebuke or insult, depending upon where you lived or to whom you said them. Nobody got cancelled, fired, expelled, or arrested for hate speech!
Wait I thought Ms. was to reference a widowed woman? And then miss was a single woman and Mrs. was a married one.
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Wait I thought Ms. was to reference a widowed woman? And then miss was a single woman and Mrs. was a married one.
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I think Ms. means a reference to any woman without specifying her marital status.
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Wait I thought Ms. was to reference a widowed woman? And then miss was a single woman and Mrs. was a married one.
No. A married woman and a widow is referred to as Mrs.
Ms., pronounced "miz" is a generic term for any woman but is generally preferred by liberal women. It's short for "mizerable".
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I think Ms. means a reference to any woman without specifying her marital status.
Women's Libs back the 60's-80's wanted an equivalent of "Mr.", which passes over marital status. They didn't want to be called "Miss" just because they were still unmarried.
If you think about it, that had to happen before you'd have women happily staying single well into their 30's and 40's. I could see proud women not wanting the same title as teenage girls, especially when they plan on staying unmarried for decades, if not for their whole life.
As far as I recall, I've only heard Trad Catholics still using "Miss" in their daily life. You have to be conservative and maybe even Trad Catholic to openly use that title, I think.
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Too bad most trad women have dropped the Mrs. from in front of their names.
It's no longer Mrs. John Doe it's not even Mrs. Jane Doe.:facepalm:
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In the Southern US, "Miss" is used colloquially as the feminine equivalent of "Mister", regardless of marital status. It is prefaced as a courtesy title, usually when the woman is somewhat older than the speaker, or when the social distance is just close enough to know her given name, but not close enough to allow you to refer to her solely by that name, e.g., "Miss Mary", "Miss Ethel", and so on. It's a hard thing to describe, you just kind of sense when to use it.
It is yet one more example of the genius of Southern speech, as in using "y'all" to denote a plural "you", something that is missing from standard English.
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In the Southern US, "Miss" is used colloquially as the feminine equivalent of "Mister", regardless of marital status. It is prefaced as a courtesy title, usually when the woman is somewhat older than the speaker, or when the social distance is just close enough to know her given name, but not close enough to allow you to refer to her solely by that name, e.g., "Miss Mary", "Miss Ethel", and so on. It's a hard thing to describe, you just kind of sense when to use it.
It is yet one more example of the genius of Southern speech, as in using "y'all" to denote a plural "you", something that is missing from standard English.
Well on Duck Dynasty don't they all refer to the matriarch as "Miss Kay"?
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Too bad most trad women have dropped the Mrs. from in front of their names.
It's no longer Mrs. John Doe it's not even Mrs. Jane Doe.:facepalm:
One of those things where you can't escape the time period in which you live.
You can get Trads to stand out and do various things for God, for traditional morality (because morality demands it) --
But don't expect them to reach back into previous cultures, generations for practices that AREN'T demanded by morality.
People are going to want to be as "normal" as possible -- they might have to do 10 "stand out" things to be a good Catholic, but they're not going to add any extra that aren't a question of morality.
I'm not talking about compromise here either. I'm talking about things that are purely neutral, a matter of custom/culture, usually of a previous generation.
There are plenty of things that are dignified, fitting, "nice", "sad to see go", but not dictated by morality.
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"Mr." is the abbreviation for magister, Latin for "master." "Ms." and "Mrs." is the feminization of the masculine adjective. When I was teaching philosophy my students would often ask, "What should we call you?" - because I have the M.A. and not the doctorate. I would tell them, "Well I am not politically correct, so how about Master Bryan or Master Shepherd?" Oh, the good ol' days. Some of them would actually go along with the joke and play along the rest of the semester.
I was born in '72 and spent my boyhood in the 80's. I had to fight to convince my mom that I should be able to listen to Madonna, even though I knew that her music was obviously sɛҳuąƖly suggestive. Society was certainly on the decline, MTV, Playboy Channel, etc., but to witness the degradation of society from the Reagan days to present is astounding. My buddy grew up in the late 40's early 50's, and he tells me that he knew everyone on his street, and that there was one "divorced couple" on his street, and they were sort of shunned.
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... and that there was one "divorced couple" on his street, and they were sort of shunned.
Yes, we had a couple across the street who had been divorced and were "remarried" ... and they were considered pariahs.
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Wait I thought Ms. was to reference a widowed woman? And then miss was a single woman and Mrs. was a married one.
No such thing as Ms. until the Ms. Magazine hit the stands, thanks to Gloria Steinem.
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In the Southern US, "Miss" is used colloquially as the feminine equivalent of "Mister", regardless of marital status. It is prefaced as a courtesy title, usually when the woman is somewhat older than the speaker, or when the social distance is just close enough to know her given name, but not close enough to allow you to refer to her solely by that name, e.g., "Miss Mary", "Miss Ethel", and so on. It's a hard thing to describe, you just kind of sense when to use it.
It is yet one more example of the genius of Southern speech, as in using "y'all" to denote a plural "you", something that is missing from standard English.
I’m from the northeast, but after my Dad was stationed in the south before I was born, he and Mom thought the “Miss” address followed by the first name was perfect for addressing people for whom a first name alone, “Seraphina” was too casual, but the full address, “Miss Scanlon” was too formal. “Miss Seraphina” was perfect, for, say, your babysitter or close family friends who were adults or significantly older than oneself. For males, we used “Mr. + first name. “Mr. James” was what we called our trash man, not “Mr. Green.” My Dad knew him from the Navy where he was cook on USS St. Paul. However, my parent’s friends who were married, and with whom my parents were close friends as a couple, became technically unrelated Aunt and Uncle, their children were Cousin. So we had Aunt Maryjane, Uncle Phil, parents to “Cousin” Marjorie, Kevin, Julie, John, and Dave.
I still like this custom, so while I’m on first name basis with my best friend who is from West Virginia, I’m called ‘Miss ‘Phina” or “Auntie ‘Phina” by her adult children and grandchildren. I call her adult male children “Mazter Alan” address pronounced that with a z and barely discernible r on the end. Male grand or great grandchildren are “Nephew” or “Niece.” All newborns through maybe age two are “Baby.”
After the birth of a child, or if the person is single beyond their mid-forties, they become “Cousin.” It sounds complicated, but it is really just what seems natural and respectful.
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When our children gave us our 50th anniversary party, I gave them an address list in which most of the names were married couples as
Mr. and Mrs. (husband's first name) and their surname.
for exampel -- Mr. and Mrs. John Smith.
I always do this for two reasons:
1. This is proper, as the man is the head of the family.
2. It drives feminαzιs crazy.
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Don't people usually address others by their first name these days? Even kids do it but the adult usually tells them to just call them (by their first name). The only time the Mrs/Ms thing came was in school.
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Don't people usually address others by their first name these days? Even kids do it but the adult usually tells them to just call them (by their first name). The only time the Mrs/Ms thing came was in school.
Yes, in most places except certain people in the southern US adhere to the custom. Personally, I don’t like it when a strange woman young enough to be my great grandchild pops her head into the doctor’s waiting room and calls out my first name, as if we were all pals on a first name basis. If you don’t know how the woman likes to be addressed, use the word Ms. plus my surname, even if it is a bit feminist. Seriously, it’s nobody’s business in the waiting room, or to the support staff workers what is my first name! When a person first visits a medical professional and fills out the forms, there should be a line for “preferred manner of address.” Then, if I change my mind for some reason, (the cardiologist is a wealthy, distinguished older gentleman, at least two years a widower, Traditional Catholic, looking for a female companion for social friendship, possibly more…) we can go to a first name basis! Okay, only kidding!
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This video evoked nostalgic feelings of the 80s--Relaxed afternoons engaging in street sports or music, anticipating the release of the next blockbuster film, and feeling anxious about the beginning of school, how times have changed.
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Yes, we had a couple across the street who had been divorced and were "remarried" ... and they were considered pariahs.
It's interesting. Divorce at this time was still something that was looked down on. I knew of friends whose parents were divorced or separated and I felt scandalized and badly for them. Now, it's become a badge of honor.