Author Topic: How Sinful is Marijuana? (Read 15542 times)

sedetrad · « **Reply #45 on:** October 15, 2009, 08:49:42 PM »

Their is a large difference between having a joint once and a while for stress and having a couple glasses of wine a night and becoming dependent on a substance. God put marijuana and alcohol on this earth for a reason. He also gave us the opium poppy which when used properly allows us to do advanced surgery and fend away pain.

roscoe · « **Reply #46 on:** October 15, 2009, 10:27:17 PM »

And morphine is actually legal in US on a fed level for medical purposes.

Re: the brown herb-- it is known to be cancer causing. Of course the poisons that are added to the nicotine in most tobacco does not help either.

I have found that smoking tobacco detracts from the MJ experience.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #47 on:** October 16, 2009, 10:17:48 AM »

The argument that Father at my church uses, is that we are higher than plants, and shouldn't become slaves, as beings made in God's image and likeness, to something lower than ourselves.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #48 on:** October 16, 2009, 10:19:37 AM »

I will also add, that 60% of the population in the United States has a "chemically supressed" immune system, caused mostly by "legal" drugs.

As a priest I knew once said, "Put -that- in your pipe and smoke it."

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #49 on:** October 16, 2009, 10:24:10 AM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

I think so, Spouse, but I don't 100% know. I thought St. Thomas says, "an unjust law is no law at all". But then, am I the one who gets to decide justice?

I think the laws are very unjust. Pot smokers getting all that mandatory prison time, while they let out child rapists who go free and kill and torture more children.

But don't worry, I am law-abiding.

They'll lock up the users, but the dealers? NOOO.

Also, the reason they lock up the users (I think) is because it's a black op by the government to bust people and fill up the prisons.

Thoughts?

Matthew · « **Reply #50 on:** October 16, 2009, 11:07:27 AM »

It's a fact that the US government profits immensely from the drug trade.

Why do you think we went into Afghanistan? To find Osama Bin Laden and fight the Taliban? Hahahahahahaha....

Seriously though -- the Taliban, being Islamic fundamentalists, do not approve of drugs like Opium. So they outlawed the raising of poppy plants. And guess what happened a couple years after we went into Afghanistan? Record poppy production! Mission accomplished. Making the world safe for Opium production (and strategically important oil pipelines).

The "war on drugs" is a farce -- only the independent upstarts are arrested -- that is, the "competition" for the approved drug producers/distribution networks. The BIG guys are well known by the government, and the government gets a cut of the action to fund black-ops projects, etc.

I've read articles written by CIA spooks, complaining how they KNEW where major drug lords lived and operated, but they were repeatedly forbidden to bust or arrest them.

Matthew

Elizabeth · « **Reply #51 on:** October 16, 2009, 11:26:34 AM »

Parents-f.T., my thoughts are that it benefits the Dark Side to suppress a natural alternative to Prozac (or whatever the anti-depressant du jour is).

Somebody once said something like, 'They lie awake at night with the uneasy feeling that somewhere, people might be enjoying themselves".

It's all about creating hopelessness and despair in the Dark Side.

roscoe · « **Reply #52 on:** October 16, 2009, 12:56:46 PM »

I do not think God would endorse the green herbs if they hindered the use of reason. The Bible says what it says.

roscoe · « **Reply #53 on:** October 17, 2009, 01:41:01 PM »

In light of Gen 9:3, the above post by Jac could even be considered heretical.

Dylan · « **Reply #54 on:** October 17, 2009, 06:15:48 PM »

Here are some interesting videos about why Cannabis is illegal and its health benefits and many uses:

(Warning: Some Profanity at the end).

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #55 on:** October 17, 2009, 07:18:29 PM »

The majority of the posters here are clearly on the side of the same people who wrote this article:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4308.html

It's not a coincidence that the same posters coming out here in support of the stoner culture are the same ones who show a decided lack of Catholic Sense on so many other issues.

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However the new research is generating more interest in the first hypothesis; namely that cannabis use itself can cause psychosis. This research is based on studies where large numbers of people are followed through a process of questionnaires over ten to twenty years. The conclusions drawn from these statistical analyses have shown that there is an association between cannabis use by adolescents who are predisposed to mental health problems and later mental health problems.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/4109360.stm

And for anyone who points out that these studies mainly refer to links between marijuana use and adolescents, remember that we adults are the role models for the young. Kids adopt the alcohol/drug/tabacco use of their parents.

roscoe · « **Reply #56 on:** October 17, 2009, 07:35:29 PM »

I am no more an advocate of the 'stoner' culture than I am of the alcoholic culture. One can drink wine without being a drunk and one can use MJ without being a junkie. The Bible says what it says. If you want to dispute that, take it up with Moses.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #57 on:** October 17, 2009, 07:38:22 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

I am no more an advocate of the 'stoner' culture than I am of the alcoholic culture. One can drink wine without being a drunk and one can use MJ without being a junkie. The Bible says what it says. If you want to dispute that, take it up with Moses.

Total rubbish. Post one single Catholic source that says that the Bible is referring to marijuana in those passages. This is like something an Ozzie Osbourne fan would come up with.

amariec · « **Reply #58 on:** October 17, 2009, 08:04:30 PM »

i'm still not sure to think if smoking moderately..one or two hits...not impairing judgment.... is a mortal sin?

alot of people are arguing that it can't be used without completely getting high and losing reason... that is incorrect.

if i did start again it would only be moderate and not very often. is that a mortal sin if i am not abusing it ?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #59 on:** October 17, 2009, 08:27:43 PM »

Dear Amariec,

The post I quote below is the best one on this whole thread. Caraffa makes an excellent point. We Catholics are called to be apart from the world, to reject the vain pleasures and amusements of the world in order to dedicate ourselves to loving and serving God. Any attachment to worldly things, whether they be possessions, money, entertainment, or even friendships and blood relations if they be harmful to us, should be avoided. Millions of good faithful Catholics got through their lives and into Heaven through the centuries without the need to "get high" and you should strive to do the same.

Quote from: Caraffa

Outside of governing law, marijuana may not be sinful per se, but it does act as a mind altering substance (harms brain cells) and its not really possible to smoke marijuana without getting high (unlike tobacco or alcohol).

I think we have to move outside of the question as to whether something is a sin and thus be the philosopher asking, which is better? Think of the type of company that you may attract. If we are looking for how far we can push it without committing sin, then we are setting ourselves up for trouble.

Go talk to a good traditional priest about this issue. He can guide you in this and other questions you may have. Asking questions of strangers on an Internet forum is not the best way to make decisions that could determine the fate of your everlasting soul.