Author Topic: How Money is used in the Church? (Read 1071 times)

poche · « **on:** March 04, 2014, 02:44:54 AM »

Pope Francis has summoned leaders of the world’s religious orders to Rome for a weekend meeting on the proper use of their financial assets, the National Catholic Reporter has learned.

Although the Vatican has not announced the meeting, the Reporter obtained a copy of a letter from Archbishop Jose Rodriguez Carballo, the secretary of the Congregation for Religious, conveying the Pope’s wish that religious leaders would attend the sessions. The congregation has reportedly been forced to limit attendance because of the number of religious orders sending representatives.

In arranging the unprecedented meeting, Pope Francis is pressing the religious orders to ensure that their assets are used “for the service of humanity and for the mission of the Church.” The Holy Father has remarked that pastors and religious leaders have an obligation to act as stewards for material resources, using them to advance the faith. He has pointedly applied that principle to assets such as empty convents.

The National Catholic Reporter has a list of the talks scheduled for the weekend meeting. In its letter of invitation, the Congregation for Religious acknowledges that religious orders are often forced to be involved in economic dealings, but underlines that in making financial decisions “they can run the risk of losing their true identity.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20655

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2014, 10:17:46 AM »

Since this appears to be strictly a "business meeting" concerning the proper use of financial resources rather than a meeting concerning religious doctrines and practices, I wonder if traveling to Rome for such a conference is really "act[ing] as stewards for material resources, using them to advance the faith".

Couldn't this kind of business meeting be better accomplished in a teleconference via the many internet services available? Then, attendance wouldn't have to be limited, so that all that need to attend could do so, and the large expense of travel, lodging, and meals could be put to better use.

Or, perhaps, do they want to make sure the meeting isn't recorded?

Just wondering.

Man of the West · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2014, 12:16:35 PM »

This sounds like shorthand for "sell off the Church's property and use the proceeds to advance the cause of social justice." Which, in turn, sounds a lot like "this ointment could have been sold for 300 denarii and given to the poor."

Remember, Francis wants a poor, shrunken Church. He has said so himself. Benedict wanted a poor, shrunken Church and has been saying so since the '70s. The destruction of the Novus Ordo proceeds apace. The self-consuming nihilism and will-to-power which characterizes all modernism now seeks to knock out the props of material wealth and grandeur from under the Church, after modernism itself has destroyed doctrine. These necessary and befitting supports will be burned up in ostentatious displays of "charity" and "humility," complete with Dionysian orgiastics (i.e. World Youth Day) and sentimental murmurings of a new springtime for the faith, a release from all that is old and stodgy and mired in "small-minded rules." Meanwhile, the [NO] Church, already stripped of discipline and morale, already bereft of cultural cachet, will lose the last bastion of its strength: the mere political heft that money and numbers lent to its proclamations. Nothing can prevent it then from becoming a byword among the nations. This is the punishment for its defection.

To be faithful in the days ahead will mean to identify with a name, "Catholic," which in the public mind has been utterly negated and refuted, for the public does not know the difference between the Traditional and Conciliar Churches. The Conciliar Church may continue on in the form of loose congeries of silly women distributing "Holy Communion" to the homeless in their weekly displays of doctrinally unburdened histrionics; and this will be tolerated in the New Ordo. The Traditional Church, however, will have the bitter task of standing vociferously for precisely those things that will not be tolerated—standing for doctrine, for supernaturalism, for marriage, for property, against ecuмenism and indifferentism, against sentimentality, against socialism, against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, etc. The true Church must recover its ancient aura as a sign of contradiction and stand forthrightly against this world and the church of this world which is Conciliarism.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2014, 12:37:00 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Since this appears to be strictly a "business meeting" concerning the proper use of financial resources rather than a meeting concerning religious doctrines and practices, I wonder if traveling to Rome for such a conference is really "act[ing] as stewards for material resources, using them to advance the faith".

Couldn't this kind of business meeting be better accomplished in a teleconference via the many internet services available? Then, attendance wouldn't have to be limited, so that all that need to attend could do so, and the large expense of travel, lodging, and meals could be put to better use.

Or, perhaps, do they want to make sure the meeting isn't recorded?

Just wondering.

It is also a question of how the financial affairs coincide with the charism of their communities and what they are doing about the situation today. For example the large empty buildings they own while there are homeless people out on he streets.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2014, 12:40:32 AM »

Quote from: Man of the West

This sounds like shorthand for "sell off the Church's property and use the proceeds to advance the cause of social justice." Which, in turn, sounds a lot like "this ointment could have been sold for 300 denarii and given to the poor."

Remember, Francis wants a poor, shrunken Church. He has said so himself. Benedict wanted a poor, shrunken Church and has been saying so since the '70s. The destruction of the Novus Ordo proceeds apace. The self-consuming nihilism and will-to-power which characterizes all modernism now seeks to knock out the props of material wealth and grandeur from under the Church, after modernism itself has destroyed doctrine. These necessary and befitting supports will be burned up in ostentatious displays of "charity" and "humility," complete with Dionysian orgiastics (i.e. World Youth Day) and sentimental murmurings of a new springtime for the faith, a release from all that is old and stodgy and mired in "small-minded rules." Meanwhile, the [NO] Church, already stripped of discipline and morale, already bereft of cultural cachet, will lose the last bastion of its strength: the mere political heft that money and numbers lent to its proclamations. Nothing can prevent it then from becoming a byword among the nations. This is the punishment for its defection.

To be faithful in the days ahead will mean to identify with a name, "Catholic," which in the public mind has been utterly negated and refuted, for the public does not know the difference between the Traditional and Conciliar Churches. The Conciliar Church may continue on in the form of loose congeries of silly women distributing "Holy Communion" to the homeless in their weekly displays of doctrinally unburdened histrionics; and this will be tolerated in the New Ordo. The Traditional Church, however, will have the bitter task of standing vociferously for precisely those things that will not be tolerated—standing for doctrine, for supernaturalism, for marriage, for property, against ecuмenism and indifferentism, against sentimentality, against socialism, against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, etc. The true Church must recover its ancient aura as a sign of contradiction and stand forthrightly against this world and the church of this world which is Conciliarism.

What an awesome post!

I couldn't have said it better myself, so I'll just quote the whole post and give it a well-deserved thumbs-up.

Posts like this make CathInfo worth reading regularly.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2014, 12:52:03 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Man of the West
This sounds like shorthand for "sell off the Church's property and use the proceeds to advance the cause of social justice." Which, in turn, sounds a lot like "this ointment could have been sold for 300 denarii and given to the poor."

Remember, Francis wants a poor, shrunken Church. He has said so himself. Benedict wanted a poor, shrunken Church and has been saying so since the '70s. The destruction of the Novus Ordo proceeds apace. The self-consuming nihilism and will-to-power which characterizes all modernism now seeks to knock out the props of material wealth and grandeur from under the Church, after modernism itself has destroyed doctrine. These necessary and befitting supports will be burned up in ostentatious displays of "charity" and "humility," complete with Dionysian orgiastics (i.e. World Youth Day) and sentimental murmurings of a new springtime for the faith, a release from all that is old and stodgy and mired in "small-minded rules." Meanwhile, the [NO] Church, already stripped of discipline and morale, already bereft of cultural cachet, will lose the last bastion of its strength: the mere political heft that money and numbers lent to its proclamations. Nothing can prevent it then from becoming a byword among the nations. This is the punishment for its defection.

To be faithful in the days ahead will mean to identify with a name, "Catholic," which in the public mind has been utterly negated and refuted, for the public does not know the difference between the Traditional and Conciliar Churches. The Conciliar Church may continue on in the form of loose congeries of silly women distributing "Holy Communion" to the homeless in their weekly displays of doctrinally unburdened histrionics; and this will be tolerated in the New Ordo. The Traditional Church, however, will have the bitter task of standing vociferously for precisely those things that will not be tolerated—standing for doctrine, for supernaturalism, for marriage, for property, against ecuмenism and indifferentism, against sentimentality, against socialism, against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, etc. The true Church must recover its ancient aura as a sign of contradiction and stand forthrightly against this world and the church of this world which is Conciliarism.

What an awesome post!

I couldn't have said it better myself, so I'll just quote the whole post and give it a well-deserved thumbs-up.

Posts like this make CathInfo worth reading regularly.

First they strip them of their soul, and then strip them of their belongings.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2014, 01:00:09 AM »

Is it only the religious they are after?

How about the bishops?
This is how the one in my diocese decides to spend the donations to the Archbishop's annual appeal.
Bishop's mansion

Tiffany · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2014, 03:09:23 AM »

I don't understand why they have bake sales. Parish is bringing in $15,000 a week in tithe but folks need to bring in a $12 pie so the older women can earn $300 for their club?